tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post3647253188639284253..comments2023-10-12T05:32:43.976-05:00Comments on Church Discipline: Evidence and the very unlikelyCD-Hosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-71274795755548849872011-01-14T06:45:46.373-05:002011-01-14T06:45:46.373-05:00Yes though I can't understand what they are sa...Yes though I can't understand what they are saying:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lec2pUPKobI" rel="nofollow">Interview</a>.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-78313244167023296102011-01-14T05:43:43.717-05:002011-01-14T05:43:43.717-05:00Is that the one from the school teacher AnnaMarie ...Is that the one from the school teacher AnnaMarie something? Do you have a link to that one. I would be interested in seeing it.Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-7535810155320037622011-01-13T20:59:57.296-05:002011-01-13T20:59:57.296-05:00Rose --
is anyone from your team reading Via de...Rose --<br /><br /> is anyone from your team reading Via della Pergola 7? Its an Italian book about the case from one of the original jurors.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-47762269124160750752011-01-12T21:18:03.862-05:002011-01-12T21:18:03.862-05:00Hi Rose --
Thanks glad to help. You do great stu...Hi Rose --<br /><br />Thanks glad to help. You do great stuff on the chemicals which I don't know much about. I agree with you about the witness. I actually speculated the Mignini might have been leaning on witnesses like our homeless guy in my previous post. <br /><br />Not mentioning to the defense that the prosecution had leverage is very bad stuff. That's another crucial piece of the case. Everything about this case smells really bad. Mignini is so far over the line. I have no idea how this plays out long term, but there is just too much evidence of prosecutorial misconduct to ignore. I really don't understand how anyone can be confident her guilt given the level of misconduct on so many different pieces of evidence.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-41575365093390500702011-01-12T18:11:12.233-05:002011-01-12T18:11:12.233-05:00Thank you CD-Host for looking at that material. I...Thank you CD-Host for looking at that material. It is good to have an opinion from someone that understands this technical stuff.<br> I saw earlier the news that one of the "super-witnesses", that fine and very believable gentleman of a park bench bum was in court today on charges of dealing heroin. The facts as presented seem to indicate they have taped him doing this in 2003. Interesting that they are just now getting to a little heroin dealer. I wonder about the ethics of putting someone on the stand that you know faces heroin dealing charges but neglecting to mention this to the defense team. Not a very credible witness it seems. LOL. <br><br />The case is beginning to unravel.Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-91207911707466491102011-01-12T14:27:47.598-05:002011-01-12T14:27:47.598-05:00"You are absolutely right about the sperm. Wh..."You are absolutely right about the sperm. Why isn't the defense doing this test themselves?"<br /><br />I don't know. Do they have access to it? The court has played this piece of evidence down considerably. In the US, the defense would have to have access to all evidence. Does it work the same way in Italy?Patrick Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136282007486590724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-11014334449182874902011-01-12T12:22:12.217-05:002011-01-12T12:22:12.217-05:00Rose --
I read the email you sent:
1) I'm n...Rose --<br /><br />I read the email you sent:<br /><br />1) I'm not sure how hard it is to get a Toshiba BIOS. In general OEM's don't treat their BIOSes as serious IP for many years. It wouldn't shock me if Tohsiba would allow you to download it from their website or send you one for a few dollars. Certainly they would give it to law enforcement if asked. <br /><br />2) The broken BIOS should have no impact on being able to extract information from the Hard Drive. Hard drives are standard there wouldn't be anything particular important in the Toshiba BIOS regarding the hard drive. So that connection makes no sense. <br /><br />Its like saying "I don't have the same brand of orange drink as was in the cup holder so I can't drive the car". <br /><br />3) I don't believe they examined the hard drive heads at all. That IMHO is a lie by the police, assuming the translation is correct. They are quoting though so this could be a misunderstand as well. What it, with say 99.999% assurance is not is accurate. <br /><br />4) I'd like to know how they know about the "bad sectors"? Generally that means the drive is pretty much working. If it is dead, i.e. a head crash and there is another fried board that sounds like physical damage. For example if someone was in a car crash with the computer. <br /><br />So assuming your translation is correct, I don't buy that document at all when it comes to the damaged laptop. That's scary because that's the first evidence I've seen for a genuine cover up rather than a prosecutor stepping over the line.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-32867904499609685052011-01-12T12:01:50.718-05:002011-01-12T12:01:50.718-05:00Patrick --
You are absolutely right about the spe...Patrick --<br /><br />You are absolutely right about the sperm. Why isn't the defense doing this test themselves?CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-38031705140116477442011-01-12T11:47:59.595-05:002011-01-12T11:47:59.595-05:00Rose that's correct. Again the system log is ...Rose that's correct. Again the system log is low security if you are on a mac you can look at yours by doing: <i> open -e /var/log/system.log </i><br /><br />There shouldn't be system activity on a seized drive, standard procedure would be to remove it, ghost it and do any kind of work on the backup copy. The drive evidence should be considered corrupted or at least semi corrupted by police. <br /><br />As far as the two programs:<br />Spotlight -- low end program provided by Apple standard for a wide range of searching tasks. The sort of thing any Apple user would know about. <br /><br />Encase -- Expensive law enforcement program designed for semi-skilled workers to conduct basic forensics in an industry standard way. <br /><br /><i> What did you think of the argument made by Raffaele's lawyers that the screen-saver logs might provide clues of computer activity during the time this murder may have occurred? </i><br /><br />I think he is absolutely right. OSX (the Mac operating system) is not a high security operating system. It doesn't offer good quality journaling of activity in a single place by default, it isn't designed for that. In looking at an OSX system, you start by understanding nothing is "beyond a reasonable doubt" but to make your best estimate; you want to use every sign of activity on the system and try and draw a picture from all the activity on the entire system looking at every log file. None of these files makes any claim to being comprehensive. <br /><br />So for example I'd look at kernel.log to see if the machine had been slept:<br />/var/audit (not a log) contains various auditing messages, you can look at your latest via:<br /><i> sudo praudit /var/audit/current </i><br /><br />I'd be looking at places like <br />/Users/[raf's username]/Library/Mail, since most likely he kept his email on<br /><br />encase likely isn't bad at this stuff. <br /><br />As far as breaking 2 our of 3 laptops and corrupting the 3rd. That at the very least shows signs of gross incompetence. I'd suspect intent I think the forensics people should have been severely severely grilled. The court should be very very wary they are being lied to. Especially since breaking a laptop will in general not render the drive completely unusable you should still be able to get all or most all the information off it.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-40118019317138026092011-01-12T10:53:00.790-05:002011-01-12T10:53:00.790-05:00I see I forgot to point out that the appeal also m...I see I forgot to point out that the appeal also mentions in regard to this Naruto file: <i>"The date of their last (Tuesday, 6 November 2007 at 10:18:38) and last editing this file (Tuesday, 6 November 2007 at 13:28:09) corresponds to a period coinciding with the removal of the laptop from the home of Raffaele Dunning, during which activities are detected on that laptop witnessed by the file system logs."</i><br /><br />If I am not mistaken this indicates the cops were doing some snooping around and looking at Raffaele's movie files even before their computer "expert" got a chance to damage/examine it, possibly altering the dates on this file as well as others.Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-21348346497053391672011-01-12T10:12:26.216-05:002011-01-12T10:12:26.216-05:00I am not much of a computer expert but the Police ...I am not much of a computer expert but the Police damaging three laptops makes me suspicious. One could be a simple mistake, two could be incompetence, three stretches belief that it was unintentional, in my opinion. Raffaele's initial appeal points out that their computer consultant found one file the police missed. They used a program called <i>Spotlight</i> rather than the <i>Encase</i> used by the Police "expert".<br /><br /><b>"Indeed, searching with Spotlight in version 10.4.10 was<br />detected at least one file "Naruto ep 101.avi" which is not present in<br />advice of the police post, but whose date of last opening is Thursday 1 November 2007 at 21:26"</b><br /><br />What did you think of the argument made by Raffaele's lawyers that the screen-saver logs might provide clues of computer activity during the time this murder may have occurred? <br /><br />I am also curious if you have seen the first computer consultant report that tried to determine how the damage to these 3 laptops happened? I don't have a link handy but can e-mail it to you if you are interested. It is nice to find somebody that can explain things in terms a non-techie can understand.Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-16722952581838051152011-01-12T08:59:42.833-05:002011-01-12T08:59:42.833-05:00Rose --
Oh my, wow... I'm sort of speechless....Rose --<br /><br />Oh my, wow... I'm sort of speechless. You know that whole paragraph where I talk about how easy it is to change timestamps for any programmer. This is far far easier, any end user could do it. I'll show you. <br /><br />The file they are talking about is <br />/var/log/windowserver.log<br />(if you are on a mac open a terminal and type <i>sudo /Applications/TextEdit.app/Contents/MacOS/TextEdit /var/log/windowserver.log</i> and you can see your own windowserver file. You can also change it freely using this command to whatever you like. Deleting or adding lines, modifying time stamps moving things. Go ahead and try. <br /><br />That's not even secure. Wow! That's what they are going off of! I can understand how Raffaele was speechless, he's probably like "they are ignoring my alibi based on a low security log file that apps write to willy nilly, doesn't journal and can be easily corrupted with no meaningful security features at all!"<br /><br />This trial is a joke. The more you learn the more disgusted you get. Rose, thank you! I made the assumption of thinking they had a made a subtle error not gross incompetence.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-62954231506481407492011-01-12T05:58:23.181-05:002011-01-12T05:58:23.181-05:00Sorry,
I deleted my modified post that was suppose...Sorry,<br />I deleted my modified post that was supposedly "too large" in contrast to the many <b>Too Lows</b> Stefanoni received. The first one looks like it "took" after all.<br /><br />Rose♥Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-48828266778032114622011-01-12T05:43:06.480-05:002011-01-12T05:43:06.480-05:00Yes,
Much of that link is related to your argument...Yes,<br />Much of that link is related to your arguments. The <b>new</b> part (as translated and summarized by Broken_English @IIP is as follows:<br /><br /><i>"PAGE 6<br />The report of the consultants of the defense noted that to analyze the interactions in the Apple computer of Raffaele Sollecito occurred between 6pm November 1, 2007 and 8am of the following November 2 would FIRST have to examine the file "windowsserver.log" which records the history of the periods in which keyboard and mouse are disabled from the screensaver<br /><br />(follows a long description of what is a screensaver)<br /><br />--<br />(Here probably it's missing a page.)<br />--<br /><br />PAGE 7<br />(This page begins with the History of the screensaver from 6am to 12am of November 2)<br />Translating into a language more "understandable" is clear that in the period between November 1, 6:26pm and 6:22am on November 2, the periods in which there is a certain lack of interaction ARE OF A MAXIMUM OF 6 MINUTES while all other periods are of interaction/potential no interaction, calling "potential non-interaction" an ACTIVE CONDUCT OF THE USER ON THE COMPUTER that, while not using the keyboard or mouse, uses the system by acting on its peripherals such as opening/closing the drawer of the CD/DVD and engaging in behavior incompatible with the absence from the place where the computer is located.<br /><br />Mind you that from the analysis of this file [windowsserver.log] results that the screensaver was never switched off.<br /><br />Instead the file "windowsserver.log" and the log file of the screensaver "com.apple.screensaver.0016cba1b0b7.plist" were completely ignored in the analysis of the Postal Police.<br /><br />This analysis with the software ENCASE has examined only the files created, accessed, modified or deleted during the period mentioned ignoring the information from log files<br /><br />--<br />(Here probably it's missing a page.)<br />--<br /><br />PAGE 8<br />- severe alterations to the data occurred in the period following the seizure of computer (and before the acquisition of the hard disk) which led to the modification of the date for many files (over 520)<br /><br />Based on the foregoing, it is considered necessary that these elements are evaluated by an expert appointed by the Court of Assizes of Appeal. We insists that a report is prepared on computer Macbook.Pro used by the accused in order to ascertain what were the real interactions in the period between 1 and 2 November 2007<br /></i>Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-23753006187329977992011-01-12T02:24:21.275-05:002011-01-12T02:24:21.275-05:00"I would have wanted to take a much closer lo..."I would have wanted to take a much closer look at Giacomo Silenzi, and figure out if Meredith only got ripped off for her rent money."<br /><br />This point here is well made, CD. The ONLY piece of NUCLEAR DNA they have in this entire case is the sperm on the pillow case. This has never been tested and it was just denied testing again as the court "accepts" that it is "probably" Silenzi's. What? This is a SEX MURDER! How can they not test the only conclusive piece of evidence they actually have? Also, how does Silenzi fit into this? He introduce Amanda to Guede the one time they actually met, didn't he? <br /><br />It seems very very suspicious that both the first court and the appeals court REFUSE to test this sperm stain. Who are they covering for?Patrick Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136282007486590724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-24235765998059090922011-01-11T21:18:17.280-05:002011-01-11T21:18:17.280-05:00Rose --
The kind words are well deserved.
No I...Rose --<br /><br />The kind words are well deserved. <br /><br />No I didn't know about that that article from Raf's lawyers. Thanks! I linked that to the main article. Check to make sure I'm referring to it properly since I have no idea what it says. I don't know Ray Turner.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-58981700982939364842011-01-11T20:53:14.166-05:002011-01-11T20:53:14.166-05:00Thank you for your kind words CD-Host. Ray Turner...Thank you for your kind words CD-Host. Ray Turner does the real work on that blog, I have helped with a few documents on occasion. I don't speak Italian but have several Italian/English speakers that help me out on occasion. Reading your post I was wondering if you saw the excerpt published from some additional appeal documents filed by Raffaele's lawyers regarding the computer activity shortly before the appeal hearing. The link is<br /><a href="http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/fotogallery/fotogallery8914.shtml?1" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-60615184773836457072011-01-11T14:20:43.768-05:002011-01-11T14:20:43.768-05:00Hi Rose welcome to the blog! Just so people know ...Hi Rose welcome to the blog! Just so people know Rose is an editor for <a href="http://knoxarchives.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">The Ridiculous Case Against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito </a> which looks at the forensic evidence with a critical eye. Examining all the problems with the luminol evidence, missing blood evidence ... She presents tremendous evidence for how fixated the police got on Amanda early. For example this great report in Italian when they originally attributed a shoe print to Raffaelle Sollecito, and when they showed it didn't match... then it must match Rudy Guede. As for the case reference, here is an article by Barbie Nadeau <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-11-01/the-new-amanda-knox-the-murder-mystery-unfolding-live-on-italian-tv/" rel="nofollow"> <br />Knox's Grisly Successor</a>, I should mention Barbie is one who think that Knox is guilty. <br /><br />Now that the into for lurkers is done. Thank you for doing the great work you have done! I notice a lot of the material on your blog is in Italian, are you Italian?CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-6752530150721293092011-01-11T13:19:04.029-05:002011-01-11T13:19:04.029-05:00Thanks for taking an interest in this case. I eve...Thanks for taking an interest in this case. I even read one of your posts about Church Discipline. A pastor once told me his church was a save haven for sinners and if I wanted to visit a house of saints I would probably have to wait a few years.<br><br />It is hard to understand why this case was even prosecuted. The best clue that I have seen is the similar way the Sarah Scazzi/Sabrina Misseri case is playing out in Italy now. I am glad to see you take a common sense approach to the evidence and I look forward to seeing more of your posts.Rose Montaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500975853140673897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-24460062375333207842011-01-11T13:10:29.417-05:002011-01-11T13:10:29.417-05:00Patrick --
You are making a good point, point wel...Patrick --<br /><br />You are making a good point, point well taken that I was being too judgmental regarding her boyfriend. . I hate to use the word "serious" they way they are using it. Certainly there are people in the marijuana business that are very serious. But in general I think given the fact that Meredith decided to:<br /> * study in a well known party town <br />* decided to have an affair on her real boyfriend Patrick Cronin with the drug grower downstairs, though it seems like they had jointly decided <br />* moved into a house with lots of drugs<br /><br />etc... tends to make me think that Meredith was not nearly as straight laced as PMF / Truejustice / Massei portray her. <br /><br />Drug dealers killing one another over money is about 1000x more common than multiple party sex crimes. I would have wanted to take a much closer look at Giacomo Silenzi, and figure out if Meredith only got ripped off for her rent money. We know there were other murders in Perugia involving knives and overkill that were prostitution / drug related. I think they fixated on Amanda so quickly that they didn't look hard enough at what Meredith was up to.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-40715704217798927952011-01-11T11:25:25.384-05:002011-01-11T11:25:25.384-05:00While I certainly agree that there is a lot of con...While I certainly agree that there is a lot of conjecture in the judge's motivation for conviction and in the prosecution's case, I'm also seeing a fair amount of conjecture or perhaps value judgment in your response. Are you suggesting that a woman dating a pot dealer CANNOT be a serious young woman?<br /><br />Certainly the prosecution has fallen into the "if not black then white" trap as far as this case goes. We must shine a light on their error, not duplicate them in the other direction.Patrick Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136282007486590724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-55591841506595896062011-01-08T15:32:51.873-05:002011-01-08T15:32:51.873-05:00Logan --
Yes you understand the argument. I'...Logan --<br /><br />Yes you understand the argument. I'd say its a virtual certainty they were wrongly convicted because even if Massei is 100% correct in his theory the evidence needed to support Massei is not present.CD-Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304535091189153224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-373425720288771023.post-37911437214856310722011-01-08T14:58:48.331-05:002011-01-08T14:58:48.331-05:00Hey CD Host:
I just read your latest post. I do w...Hey CD Host:<br /><br />I just read your latest post. I do want to engage you on it in more detail, but I simply don't have the time right now. I want to say preliminarily, prima facie, the arguments are well constructed. However, I want to work through some of your probabilities. Also, Computer science is not my area of expertise, so I want to find corroborating evidence. Nevertheless, your overall conclusion appears unimpeachable: the prosecution's theory of Meredith Kercher's murder is possible but so improbable that it requires a mountain of corroborating evidence to justify conviction. There is no mountain of corrobating evidence. It is therefore probable that the prosecution's theory of the case is incorrect. I'll go one step further. It is very likely that Amanda Knox and Rafaelle Sollecito were wrongly convicted.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11322072672081281473noreply@blogger.com