"My original convictions upon this subject have been confirmed by the course of events for several years, and experience is every day adding to their strength. That those tribes can not exist surrounded by our settlements and in continual contact with our citizens is certain. They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear." -- Andrew Jackson Dec 3 1833, 5th annual message to congressIf one believes it is fair to attribute Vogler's opinions to Palin than it seems reasonable to attribute the above to Obama. But I see no reason to believe that Barak Obama supports the above feelings regarding native Americans, and given Gov. Palin's attitude I see no reason to believe she supports Vogler's opinions on seperation.
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Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Joe Vogler
Since we keep hearing that quote from Vogler "about the fires of hell" as a smear against Gov. Palin I thought I should quote the founder of the Democratic party