Friday, February 23, 2007

Important People

This is a collection of discipline related articles by big names:

Historical
Current

Waynesville Baptist


This was an excommunication of 9 members of a baptist church (small southern town) for being members of the democratic party. The pastor in this case argued that supporting Kerry, meant support for abortion and support for abortion was an excommunicative offense. He has quite open in indicating he believed that the church should be "political".

This piece is interesting. Outside of tradition I'm hard pressed to see much difference between these excommunications and excommunications for a wide range of opinions expressed. Either people should have freedom of conscience of they bring their stated opinions into line with the church. Of course, I'm hard pressed to see Kerry as a major facilitator of abortion but that's a disagreement on the facts of the case so isn't really relevant.

Another interesting point about the case was that the pastor in this case violated his church rules creating an impromptu business meeting to force the 9 erasures. However instead of going after the weak and the defenseless (a more typical situation norm for church discipline) he went after successful people who had access to outside resources and the pastor lost the power struggle. Lots to discuss in this one.

Discipline Procedures

These are a series of pastoral walk through of the process:


Historical:

Thursday, February 22, 2007

Secret disfellowshipping

There are consistent reports of people being disfellowshipped or excommunicated out of process.
Catholic 14 year old homosexual
JW rock star
UCG intellectual over calendar dispute they kept private. The real reason may have been his sense of humor

Excommunication and shunning

Churches and books have a wide range of doctrines about what to do with the excommunicated.


  • Jonathan Edwards (important American theologian of the 18th century) establishes that excommunicates are to be treated substantially worse than heathens (impolite, and entitled only to minimal human rights) in the Nature and Purpose...

Jehovah's witnesses

The JWs have a long history of church discipline. For them its absolutely core. So there are a lot of resources about their discipline..
One thing that is key is that because the law on disciplining non members is questionable they have created a class called "disassociation" (someone who has severed ties) and they distinguish this from "disfellowship" which is disciplinary. Shunning occurs regardless but the idea of disciplining a non member is thus avoided.

Minister trials

By minister trials we mean trials for preaching. Not trials for stuff like stealing that happen to involve a minister. Minister trials are the easiest to find notes of on the web. The ministers being tried are frequently very public spokesmen for unpopular positions and the organization is generally very happy to have the beheading be public. They are unfortunately not representative of general disciplinary issues. Everybody involved knows there are larger issues at stake and they may be quoted a 100 years from now. The minister is willing to lose the battle to win the war.


Lee Irons:

This is the trial of a minister in the OPC (hardest right organization in NAPARC) that took a slightly liberal position on moral law. The debate is very technical but you got to love his final note:
I am not prepared to say that the OPC has fallen into irreparable apostasy, but something is terribly amiss with a denomination that is willing to indefinitely suspend me from the ministry for holding a position that is part of "a significant and vital stream of Reformed, Presbyterian, and confessional thought," and then turns right around the very next day and fails to censure a man who teaches a doctrine of justification that has never been part of any stream within the orthodox Reformed tradition, indeed, that denies the very reason for the Reformation itself. The implication is staggering: Murray's recasting of covenant theology is now an essential test of orthodoxy in the OPC, but the historic Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone is not.

Wikipedia articles

Wikipedia is loaded with good stuff.

Other reference

Here's a bunch of

references article from a sites like wikipedia. Theopedia is a presbyterian site. with tons of good links and some summary information about membership.

This one covers getting in and out of various presbyterian churches:
Theopedia Church Membership

This one covers the debates about who is subject to discipline
Theopedia Church Discipline

Gameo (Global Anabaptist Mennonite Encycllopedia Online): Church Discipline Excommunication Pastoral Counseling

David Huckabee (independent baptist) Church discipline and Church membership

Watermark Community Church

Here is an interesting case. We have a guy who decides to have an affair. The "other woman" is not part of the church, yet the discipline process is applied to her. They have a very well written 6 page document regarding discipline

Religion News Blog

Moreover the news stories the church actually wanted to go the wider world even after the person tried to quit. I decided to debate this one. Its also being debated at worldmagblog.

The policy as written
1) doesn't give them the ability to go after 3rd parties
2) It doesn't give the ability to disclose counseling details to the broader community
3) And the policy is vague about people who "run away from this community to avoid care and correction" (fugitives from discipline)

The church deserves to lose this lawsuit.