Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Joe Vogler

Since we keep hearing that quote from Vogler "about the fires of hell" as a smear against Gov. Palin I thought I should quote the founder of the Democratic party
"My original convictions upon this subject have been confirmed by the course of events for several years, and experience is every day adding to their strength. That those tribes can not exist surrounded by our settlements and in continual contact with our citizens is certain. They have neither the intelligence, the industry, the moral habits, nor the desire of improvement which are essential to any favorable change in their condition. Established in the midst of another and a superior race, and without appreciating the causes of their inferiority or seeking to control them, they must necessarily yield to the force of circumstances and ere long disappear." -- Andrew Jackson Dec 3 1833, 5th annual message to congress
If one believes it is fair to attribute Vogler's opinions to Palin than it seems reasonable to attribute the above to Obama. But I see no reason to believe that Barak Obama supports the above feelings regarding native Americans, and given Gov. Palin's attitude I see no reason to believe she supports Vogler's opinions on seperation.

4 comments:

Bryon said...

What's going on over here? Did you retire from blogging? Haven't seen you around much. Hope all is well.

CD-Host said...

Hi Bryon --

I haven't been much inspired to write about church discipline issues lately. I've focused on the election and had a longish dialogue on a Catholic site about unity type issues. But yeah I guess I've taken a blogging break.

I guess also I've put together enough materials to answer most questions that seem to come up to address issues of church discipline in a non denomination sort of way. The denominational support groups seem to be thriving. In the end it seems like most people don't actually want to defend themselves regarding a discipline case. Where there is church discipline there is also a whisper campaign and no one can defend themselves from that based on facts and law. I'm glad I put this information together I think someone needed to do all the legwork and I think some better indexes are useful, perhaps.

I still do want to do the study bible spread sheet but I'm not even sure what people look for. So I'm fine but rather disheartened.

Anonymous said...

"If one believes it is fair to attribute Vogler's opinions to Palin than it seems reasonable to attribute the above to Obama. But I see no reason to believe that Barak Obama supports the above feelings regarding Native Americans, and given Gov. Palin's attitude I see no reason to believe she supports Vogler's opinions on seperation."

FINALLY, somebody who "gets it"!!!

...only, I would make the parallel thusly -- If one believes it is fair to attribute Ayers's opinions to Obama, then it also seems reasonable to attribute Vogler's opinions to Palin.

CD-Host said...

Hi Anonymous. Actually Ayers is a different case since Obama knows Ayers. Palin had to the best of my knowledge never met Vogler.

As far as Ayers, Obama did work with him on an issue unrelated to anti-war protests, education, and they have met. So the analogy might be McCain and Feingold.