The cbc (which is like the BBC but for Canada) goes for the political persecution angle on this (which is a pretty high end source)
The church censored its guest book of all the references to the controversy.
Both blogs carry this counter claim about a horn being blown:
I happen to attend this church. The situation with this lady has been happening for a while. She was approached by church officials a few times about how she conducts herself in service. (One example of an issue that they confronted her about is: She was blowing a horn, the kind you take to a hockey game, in the middle of the song service. It was becoming very distracting and irritating to most people in the congregation. The pastor kindly asked her to not do that anymore, and she made a huge fuss. I clearly recall one service where she was blowing the horn, and a child in front of her was crying because it was so loud, she was oblivious to the fact she was making a young child cry).There isn't much on her. And the facts are muddy. I don't have much to say.
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(Follow up) 2 years after this was written Deborah told her side of the story below in the comments.
(Follow up#2 written Feb 2010): After about 500 posts in this thread the evidence finally broke. Deborah Boschman was excommunicated for writing a fairly typical letter to her local paper asking for standard municipal actions, which resulted in her get excluded from her church for embarrassing the pastor. We may never know if this was poor judgement or abuse of office but we do know that had proper procedure been followed Boschman would have remained a member of Bethel. If anything the CBC understated the extent to which Pastor Davis' actions were questionable.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 928 Newer› Newest»So all these places that you took to court (and lost,) are all controlling, (the church, the pound, and the school board) and you are the only one that's innocent in all of this?
"Looking at the long list of court dates, Deborah has a major problem paying bills. Even the lawyers willing to help her. Deborah, would you bring this same lack of discipline to city hall if elected?"
I noticed that you also didn't address this question, but instead started the slandering of the church again. I'd be interested in hearing an answer. Stop avoiding the questions but hopping off on these rants.
uh lol well lets see PATERSONPATTERSON, WYMAN took you to court twice to get money from you. They are lawyers. There are three times you tried to sue businesses. Bethel, BSD and the Brandon pound. There are other people you tried to take to court in a lame attempt to make money from them. Obviously the judge saw you for what you were doing. and Case dismissed. You didn't lose those court cases because you had no lawyer, but because you had no legal ground to stand on, it was a money grabbing scheme. No one's come on here and lied Deborah, you know that. funny isn't it how absolutely everyone one else is lying except you? wow.
I have copies of email after email to Pastor Mike and Pastor Len.
I was NEVER replied back to.
I called the church and the new Administrator told me that the Legal Department would handle anything further from me.
I have a copy of a letter that I received from the desk of Pastor Mike, in which they state that, "Any further correspondence from me will be deleted and/or ignored."
I showed this letter to my mother, sister, children, I read this letter to the real estate agent.
My family all saw this letter.
I thought that by taking this church to court that they would then agree to meet with me regarding all of these lies but again, even after this, they refused.
The Bible says that we are to settle things before they go to court.
Well, what do you do when the church REFUSES to have anything further to do with you? What do I do then?
These women within Bethel lied.
I spoke with Pastor Mike the day before I received this letter that I was sent from Bethel and he DID NOT indicate to me that there was a problem whatsoever.
Why is there slander and untruths about me on the Internet?
Who told this young man these untruths?
Where are these lies coming from?
I absolutely NEVER made a child cry that I was EVER made aware of.
I read this on the post above and I was in INCREDIBLE shock!
This is another lie from the pit of hell.
Yes, we can feel passionate about our political parties but one has to separate their religion from their politics.
Some did not like me in this church, I guess, but I was COMPLETELY UNAWARE of this.
The ONLY TIME that Pastor Mike spoke to me was after the horn incident.
There was NO FUSS, NOTHING. I said okay and that was that. Pastor Mike even laughed about this over the telephone.
Well then, where is this lie coming from? Another lie says that church officials met with me several times. This is also NOT TRUE at all.
I'd like to confront these witches from within Bethel and hear who said what lie to whom.
I am requesting a meeting with all of those parties involved at Bethel.
I am a Christian and I take my faith VERY SERIOUSLY.
I will NOT TOLERATE someone lying about me, slandering me and putting these false posts on the Internet about me.
Meet with me. Let's hear who said what and when. Those liars.
Say it to my face.
I phoned Pastor Mike's wife and asked if I could come to church there in the evenings and she said to me, "Well, we were told that we cannot tell anyone that they cannot come to church."
Gee, thanks.
I asked to meet with Pastor Mike and I was told that he was busy, that he had company.
I hand delivered a hand written 7-9 page letter to Pastor Mike right after his letter to me made it to the paper.
I told him that I had NOTHING to do with this and I apologized to him for the embarrassment that this had caused him and that this caused me as well.
After this, I was considered to be the anti-Christ and ANYBODY could have made up or said whatever about me and this would have been believed.
Everyone felt SO SORRY for Pastor Mike. Poor Pastor Mike.
Well, what about myself, my children and my family?
What lies did these witches within Bethel tell Pastor Mike?
I'd like to hear them.
How would you feel if these things happened to you?
Deal with those individuals who have lied within Bethel.
I tried posting this a while ago, but it didn't go through
Deborah,
I have been following this for a while, and have held my tongue but your last post demands my response
I am the "young man" who made those initial responses on various Blogs. (Fortunately for me, you have my name absolutely wrong)
It was a bit shorter than 2 years after the fact....(in fact it was in October of 2007, just over a year after my initial posts)...... but you sent me an email on the website Myspace demanding that I remove the content or else face lawsuit.
I wasn't overly concerned about the threat of a lawsuit, however, I did realize that I had done wrong. My information was far from complete (as to the reason for the request for you to leave), and I spoke as an authority when in fact I had none.
I responded to your email with a lengthy apology and I also had the content which I had posted removed from every website which I posted it. If you follow the very first link you will find at the end of his story, that he says "A member named Jim emailed me and said he had more information and he asked me to delete his responses which I am doing"
In my email response I asked for your forgiveness. And also explained that as a Pastor's Kid, I have the tendency to want to come to a pastor's defense even when I don't know the whole story. Still, I admitted my wrong doing in this situation and sincerely asked for forgiveness.
Just as I suspected, you likely never checked the account I responded to and to this day had no idea I apologized, and had the comments removed. (Also myspace deleted the old messages over a year ago, so there would be no record of it anymore)
HOWEVER,
I did not post the comments to this site, the owner must have found the responses before I had them removed.
That being said,
DO NOT try to claim that I was(and apparently still am)some evil agent that worked on behalf of Bethel. My actions and comments were independent, and not some part of a smear campaign designed by the leadership of the church. No one told me to make such comments, and had I talked to the leadership about it prior, they would have told me not to.
I was a foolish teenager, trying to know more than I did, I admitted and did what I could to correct my mistakes.
There have been attacks on your sanity and personal character on this blog, and I will not resort to such. However, I will make an observation based on your last post.
"As you can clearly see, someone from Bethel, first posted a lie and slander on the Internet about me, in the first place." and
"This member of Bethel repeated heresay and lies about me on the internet. There is actually other stuff on another site.
My observation is this... I said something that wasn't 100% accurate (in regards to why the situation that happened, happened). You go around and turn it into an attack from Bethel. If my past comments have hurt you in someway that has caused or added to your resentment and view of Bethel and it's congregation, I am sorry. You do however, need to accept that my actions were not an attack from Bethel, I had just recently moved out of town, so infact was not even a member anymore. I was just a know it all kid. That's all.
Also, there is not other stuff on another site, because I had it removed.
As far as calling my statements lies, and heresay. My suggestion that this had anything to do with your dismissal, was fabricated by myself, though I thought it to have some sort of influence. (I thought maybe there was a long line of events, and this was just one of them somewhere in the middle). As far as my claim that your horn blowing caused a you child to cry. I still stand by it. Was it right for me to mention? Probably not. What was more wrong was the way I wrote it, suggested that it was a "massive scream-at-the-top-of-her-lungs cry". I was a few tears, and both hands covering her ears, looking up at you with a very pouty and accusing face. EVEN MORE WRONG, was I villinized you in my account, you did not come out blowing the horn into the childs ear and mocked her, no, you were actually just worshiping, and were unaware of what was going on.
So please, if you never read my letter of appology, I ask for your fogiveness again.
And I also again request that you do not try to accuse me of acting as an evil agent of Bethel trying to hold you back from revealing the truth, because I'm not, and never was.
There we go...sorry for the long messages, didn't realize how long winded I can be.
Anonymous, I did not receive your apology until now.
Thank you.
I appreciate this.
So you repeatedly harassed him with phone calls, letters and emails, and was upset when he said he will no longer reply to you? I imagine if the calls and emails were much like what has been written here, then he had Great reason to have no further contact with you. You seem to latch on to false situations or imagined slights and and become completely obsessive about them.
I imagine they refused to have anything to do with you because of the many (OBVIOUS) lies you were putting forth. You've made many many outrageous claims on here, You've even been caught in lies on here, yet you refuse to address those. Each time someone calls you out on it you change the subject and decide to add a new lie to the batch.
YOU were the one that took ALL these places (not just the church) to court then turn around with the complaint of "Christians aren't supposed to take each other to court". And then yet again, you deny responsibility for even THAT by claiming that they made you! They Made YOU? HOW? by refusing to give audience to slander? by refusing to listen to any more gossip and lies?
The Pastor showed some great restraint and maturity in his dealings with you, even now when you still continue to slander him and harass him, he doesn't speak out against you. THAT is the behaviour of a TRUE Christian. That is the behaviour of a responsible and mature adult.
I APPLAUD his decision to NOT meet up with you or listen to any more of the lies you've spread. I APPLAUD both him and the courts for seeing through you and seeing your court case for the money grab it was.
These things were never really about him, or the other people involved were they? They just happen to be an easy way to get yourself attention.
So rather than address what T.T. said you'll just call her pathetic and sweep that under the rug too.
Anyone can look up the court cases, so i'd be careful when trying to say she's lying. Its easily checked.
Anonymous, actually if I EVER KNEW that my blowing a horn was causing ANY child to cry, I would NEVER have done this.
Could she have been crying for another reason?
I was blowing it HIGH into the air and over, away from the tops of heads of individuals.
At least I was trying very hard to do that.
Anonymous, there are women who lied to Pastor Mike about me.
I am INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED with these women.
I REALLY APPRECIATE your apology, your honesty and I forgive you for this.
Please be VERY CAREFUL what you post in the future because it can REALLY hurt people.
I am a very reasonable person but I ABSOLUTELY WON'T TOLERATE DISHONESTY, LIES, SLANDER, etc.
This is when I will really GET MY BACK UP.
There are still about three women that I would like to see Bethel DEAL WITH.
They have caused INCREDIBLE TROUBLE, SORROW AND HEARTACHE for me with their lies.
I'd like to meet with these women next or have the church deal with these TROUBLE MAKING women.
See, this is how the devil works.
He starts with a lie, then misperceptions, etc., etc.
Things become a runaway train and no one talks and then on and on and on it goes.
No one called me to talk to me. I was VERY ANGRY with Bethel for what they did to me and I still am regarding the lies from some of these individuals within Bethel.
These idle, gossiping women REALLY NEED TO BE DEALT WITH WITHIN BETHEL.
Please pray about this to occur.
Also, please pray that if there is ANY WAY that we could get our dear Peaches back, that God would make a way.
This has been VERY HARD on all of us; INCREDIBLY HARD.
We live directly across the street from this every day.
My daughter's daddy bred that puppy ESPECIALLY for his daughter. He hardly ever gets to see her. This was her VERY FIRST PET FROM HER DADDY and Peaches MEANT EVERYTHING TO MY DAUGHTER.
We drove 8 hours to bring that puppy back.
She cried and cried and cried about this FOREVER.
She missed school, she couldn't sleep. She started eating and eating and eating.
This has been the MOST HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE EVER BEEN THROUGH, EVER!
Every time I have tried to get our puppy back, this neighbor has charged me with assault and I HAVE NEVER TOUCHED HER ONCE.
This woman could have mental health issues. She was ALWAYS calling the police when her husband was alive.
There is a HUGE file on her.
THIS WOULD MEAN AN INCREDIBLE LOT IF WE COULD GET MY DAUGHTER'S DEAR PEACHES BACK.
This woman already has a dog and two cats.
I'm REALLY SORRY that you felt that I did anything horrible to your father in the first place.
That was simply NOT the case at all.
Please pray about us getting our Peaches back.
Please pray about the situation with these gossiping, idle witches also.
Maybe God can heal and fix this entire situation and restore it.
Please pray that this will occur and THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your apology.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS and I apologize to you for thinking that I did anything to try to hurt your father in the first place.
I did NOT take his letter to me to the newspaper in the first place.
Someone else did.
THANK YOU AGAIN for your apology. I REALLY APPRECIATE this. THANK YOU!
Anonymous, please also pray that my reputation would be restored and that I would also get back my substitute teaching position with The Brandon School Division that I had for ten years previously.
I'd like to see God restore to me EVERYTHING that was lost or stolen from me.
Please pray about this and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN for your apology.
That MEANT A LOT to me.
That solves one problem and now if I can just get the REST resolved also.
I am a really decent person but I have BEEN WRONGED and I am trying to get these wrongs righted.
I abhor lies and injustice.
lol pathetic because I pointed out where you lied? uh its public record deborah, if you're going to lie then I suggest you try and get better at it first. lol
oh for goodness sake deborah lol, Anonymous is not Pastor mike's son lol. If you had read that properly he said his dad is a pastor (not pastor mike)
Oh and CD host I'll have to point out her post calling me pathetic, of which you state no name calling in the rules and that clearly is an attack and name calling.
T.T is correct.
My intention was to say that my father is A pastor, so I felt the need to come to the defense of another pastor.
Sorry for the mix-up
Anonymous, please find out all the facts before you hyperventilate, in such a public fashion, on a public page again.
There appears to have been a lot of this defensiveness from many members within Bethel.
Also, Pastor Mike went on to preach a message to his congregation regarding church discipline, etc. the following Sunday, in which the entire congregation clapped and cheered him on.
Comments in support of me were removed from their church home page.
I think that Bethel should take responsibility for their part in this also.
I do believe that clear lines were also crossed in this situation.
I think that this church should put as much or more effort into disciplining these witches as it did disciplining me for writing a Letter to the Editor.
Their behavior and the trouble that they have caused and are continuing to cause is far more damaging and more alarming than my writing a Letter to the Editor.
It appears that there was a "poor Pastor Mike" mentality that was being perpetuated.
I am one person and they are a very large church.
I still think that what they did was wrong and immature but I have no idea what their decision was based upon.
I am quite perplexed that Pastor Mike did not take the time to explain the situation that I shared with him in my letter to him, with the congregation.
That would have sure cleared up misconceptions or was he just enjoying the "poor Pastor Mike" scenario just a little too much?
One can only wonder and only God really knows.
See, anonymous posted something you didn't like and now you attacked him at the beginning of your post. This seems to be a pattern for you. (Apparently it ticks you off that he's not pastor mike's son?). One post you're telling him you forgive him, and trying to be all nice. a few posts over (after you find out who he's NOT) you start the attacking.
The claims you are making are getting more and more out there, yet you've still failed to provide any proof whatsoever.
D.F., no I did NOT attack him/her and I still forgive them.
Now, you claim to be able to read minds, thoughts and intentions also?
You cannot possibly understand where I am coming from unless you've had untruths posted about you on the internet.
These are then taken to be facts and everyone runs off with this stuff.
No, I am NOT at all disappointed that he/she is not Pastor Mike or Pastor Len's son/daughter at all; if in fact he or she is not.
This part DOESN'T MATTER at all.
I take his/her apology as being genuine and sincere. I accept it and I am VERY GRATEFUL for it.
MANY people read this stuff and an opinion of me was formed around erroneous information.
Until this happens to yourself, you cannot possibly understand how incredibly hurtful, frustrating and defaming this is.
He or she apologized and I accepted this and I still do genuinely forgive them.
Please don't start trying to read into what I have written and start conjuring up what you perceive to be my new thoughts now.
That's not fair to me at all and your speculations are simply INCORRECT and FALSE.
Good Lord, what next?
I'm going to take some time off now to focus on what is REALLY IMPORTANT during this special time of year and I suggest that we all do the same.
Have a safe, joyous, blessed Christmas everyone and especially to Anonymous for making my tough road one step lighter.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for doing that and may you be RICHLY BLESSED during this season and into the new year and the years ahead.
I wish only the VERY BEST for you.
My prayer is that God will give you the desires of your heart and cause you to prosper in everything that you do.
Your actions of apology have made my Christmas. This action was the VERY BEST Christmas present I could have hoped of receiving and I thank you profusely for this.
Hopefully, you will introduce yourself to me someday so that I can thank you properly.
Merry Christmas and may God bless you.
NO i can't read minds, but i can read: "find out all the facts before you hyperventilate" (Or is this you being friendly?) You didn't start acting insultingly towards him/her until they cleared up the fact that they were not related to pastor Mike.
If you don't want people to call you out on something, then don't post it.
As for taking a break, i'll probably continue over the Christmas season to watch this blog/thread. I don't like lies, so each time i see you post them i will come on here and defend those you've slandered and lied about.
D.F., well, I haven't lied or slandered anyone.
There's a lot of defending going on here but NOT a lot of real honest truth telling, accountability, etc.
Just because they have not treated you in this fashion, perhaps, does not negate that these things occurred.
They did and I'm trying very hard to deal with them.
People wear masks.
They act a certain way around some individuals and another way around others.
Out of the blue, I had a call from a woman who told me about a couple from Bethel that she was having some problems with.
Just because I never had any business dealings or problems with this couple does not negate the fact that she did, was or does, for whatever reason.
She wants to expose this during the election because she said that she's tired of all the fakes and the phonies within our churches who call themselves Christians.
I tried to encourage her to work it out with them first but she is really angry and she said that she has tried and that this option is just not working out well for her.
We all thought Tiger Woods had a squeaky clean image too.
I have stated what my experiences were with the aforementioned individuals.
I have told the truth from my heart as will be seen when we are standing before our God.
Perhaps you are in denial because you are helping to protect an image or a reputation.
I really hope that more individuals will come forward in the days ahead.
Deborah, you have for a FACT been caught out in lies on here, (ones that when brought up you fail to address, but instead go on to build up new lies and gossip)
You keep saying you are getting calls from members who want to 'let the truth out'. Amazingly only you seem to hear about these things, and not only that, but we've STILL not heard from any of these people. You keep saying 'they' want to expose the church, yet we've heard nothing? (Is this too going along the same path as the other 'proof' you have? You'll claim it, yet never provide it.)
I have to wonder, you've told so many lies, do you even know what is true in this situation any more?
You've been caught in lies ON THESE THREADS, yet each time its pointed out, you sweep it away with new proclamations of the 'wrongs' that have been done against you.
When T.T. points out proof of the claims she/he made on here you call them pathetic, yet still refuse to address them.
You've been caught lying on these posts, with proof shown that you lied, and you STILL claim to be the only one telling the truth in this situation???
More then once people have caught you in outright lies, yet you NEVER seem to address them. Is it easier, i wonder, to be making up even more lies then address and apologizing for the one's you've already made?
I know one day the TRUTH will come out, that all the LIES you've told will be exposed.
Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A FALSE WITNESS THAT SPEAKETH LIES, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
You will hear from them soon and very soon.
I'm not sowing discord.
I'm just calling you on what some of these individuals have said and done and you can't seem to handle it.
Instead of acknowledging that ANY of your members may have been responsible for ANY of these misdeeds, you want to blame them on myself.
Nope. Sorry. Deal with some of your members.
This last person doesn't even go to church at all.
I don't even know her.
She just called me out of the blue because she was upset with a couple from Bethel.
Are you in denial about the trouble making of these three women because MANY individuals within Bethel have complained about these characters over the years.
Perhaps God wants to do a REAL WORK within our churches.
Did you ever think that God is perhaps sending a "refining fire" upon our churches?
Instead of denying these things perhaps God wants you to LOOK WITHIN and start dealing with some of these very serious issues.
This one witch from your church wouldn't shut up and keep her mouth shut.
She is CONSTANTLY INVOLVING HERSELF IN OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS and then running with her stories to anyone who will give her an ear.
Everyone KNOWS this about her and they are very WARY of her.
I had asked her to help me by looking after our Peaches for us.
Why did she go and involve herself with my neighbor?
She TOLD ME ALL ABOUT HOW THIS NEIGHBOR BROUGHT OUR PUPPY OVER TO HER HOUSE AND HOW TOGETHER THEY CALLED THE ANIMAL POUND.
They reported that our Peaches was out of the fence BUT THIS NEIGHBOR TOOK HER OUT.
They would NOT leave us alone.
The pressure was UNBELIEVEABLE.
They stalked our yard. She sat on the steps with my neighbor after turning on me.
You don't want trouble.
Well then, GET MY 9 YR. OLD DAUGHTER'S DOG BACK AND THEN GET MY POSITION BACK WITH THE BRANDON SCHOOL DIVISION.
IN EACH AND EVERY INSTANCE, A MEMBER OF YOUR CHURCH IS INVOLVED.
Rectify those things and then there will be peace.
I have at least 7 witnesses regarding the former Administrator.
These individuals ALL had trouble with this man.
MOST of them are my neighbors.
They came to ME when they found out that I bought a house from him.
ALL of the stories are the SAME.
This woman who came up to me at the Green Spot complained to me about two of these same witches, Mrs. G. and that other thing.
I DON'T RESPECT these women because of what they did to me.
What did this thing tell Pastor Mike?
Why are you ALLOWING this kind of crap to go on within your church?
WHY WASN'T SHE DEALT WITH and this Mrs. G.
Perhaps you should start DEALING with some of these members.
This last lady who called me upset said it has to do with a couple who sell Real Estate.
It has something to do with her or her mother. Eco-Green is involved.
She received a bill that she DOESN'T feel that she should have to pay.
I don't know if she was renting property from these individuals or if it was her mother or what.
I told her to call Bethel about this IF she couldn't resolve this with this couple.
She NEVER called me back but she WAS VERY UPSET and she said that if it wasn't resolved that she wanted to go public with it when the election rolled around.
Maybe you should try being more TRANSPARENT and OPEN yourselves within your church and then you might REALLY find out who feels what about whatever issue.
One of the gossips who helped to take our puppy away from my daughter was constantly complaining to me that no one ever came to visit her from the church.
She also complained that she wanted to lead a Bible study at the church but that she was NOT allowed to.
Ask your congregation to tell you what their concerns are or to anonymously post them.
I didn't go looking for these women; they BOTH came to me, without any solicitation on my part and both within this past year, the last one just a week ago.
So first of all, it's interesting to note that you again didn't address anything that was brought up. Yet again you swept over the FACT that you've been caught in lies on here. This seems to be a common tactic with you.
Second, I'm not a board member, nor a male, so really how am i being chauvinistic?
Why don't i sound like a Christian? Because I don't agree with you? Because I'm pointing out your lies? So the only people who are "real Christians" are the ones who agree with everything you say?
Even Jesus got angry in the temple for those making it into a "den of robbers". (MT. 21:12-13) Lying is no better, you're stealing the truth and filling in its place many many lies.
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Mt. 7:5
You think the church needs to deal with its members? Yet YOU are the one going on here and lying. You haven't produced even one small evidence of proof, even though you claim you have it. You just brush past it, or you start insulting those who call you out on it.
I noticed again your tactic of insulting (me) people when they don't agree with you. Suddenly i don't act/talk like a Christian because I don't agree with Deborah? I was completely unaware that God defers to you to Judge the level of people's commitment to Him, to tell people how they ought to be speaking.
Again another tactic by you to take the focus off of the lies you've told. (which you AGAIN have failed to address)
"You brood of vipers! how can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
Matthew 12.34-37
Also, one of these gossips, G.K., who turned on me and became friends with my neighbor, came to me REPEATEDLY with stories about the Administrator's husband.
She told me that other members of Bethel who lived near them were also saying the same things that they saw happening with this man.
She saw and knew what I had been through with him myself.
My dog stealing neighbor told the judge that G.K. was the one who pursued a relationship with her.
WHY IN THE NAME OF GOD WOULD SHE DO THIS TO ME?
She ABSOLUTELY KNEW how important this puppy was to my daughter and to us.
I mean I was already asked to leave my church, they weren't allowing me to Substitute teach anymore and NOW THIS?
HOW COULD SHE DO THIS TO US, the crazy stupid witch?
She saw and heard how the neighbor's son came up to my daughter drunk and harassed her when she was out walking her puppy.
When she got mad at me and turned to help my neighbor, she went down to the Police Station and had her testimony withdrawn regarding this harassment to my daughter that she had personally witnessed.
This neighbor's drunk son had thrown a quarter at G.K. and told her to go and make a phone call.
They treated her TERRIBLY and yet she still turned on me to help them.
It's all quite UNBELIEVABLE really.
Ask G.K. about this situation. My daughter was right there and she can tell you that this is what happened because my daughter ran to G.K.'s house when this neighbor's son approached my daughter drunk, when she was out walking her puppy, for the love of God.
What was this idle, gossiping woman doing getting herself involved with my neighbor after this?
My neighbor has mental health issues.
She showed G.K. bruises THAT I NEVER GAVE THIS WOMAN.
I NEVER EVER TOUCHED THIS WOMAN ONCE.
ALL of my troubles started after this letter to me from Pastor Mike was taken to the Brandon Sun, which I NEVER TOOK TO THEM.
Then there was ONE THING AFTER THE OTHER.
Everything became a runaway train and ANYBODY could have said ANYTHING about me and it would have been believed.
This is in fact, what began to happen, one right after the other because I was now fair game.
I am fighting to try to get some of those things back that were stolen from me VERY UNFAIRLY and WRONGLY.
ALL of these women should be charged with mischief. They have lied and borne false witness against me. G.K. is one of them.
Deal with her, for the love of God.
Yet again, more claims to hide all the lies. You still haven't addressed anything that was brought up.
uh lol I think you means she "Bore false witness" not "borne false witness" cause that just doesn't make sense lol.
Nice to see you're still avoiding answering any questions, not much has changed since I last read.
CD host, these are the cackling witches who are posting these latter things.
This is what I had to deal with at this church and what I am currently dealing with on this blog.
I drove this one witch down to the Police Station so that she could give the police a statement regarding the harassment that she witnessed regarding my daughter.
Then when I refused to give our puppy to her, as she requested, she then turned on me and became friends with my neighbor.
That's how you behave when you are a Christian, isn't it?
These women are liars, slanderers, idle gossips.
I have zero tolerance for trouble making women such as these.
Just the very things that they are digging up on here are hideous and reflect their true character and nature.
Shame on you, you idle, slandering, evil gossips.
I'd like to knock that devil right out of you.
You'd better stay away from me, if I ever see you again, you evil witches.
This is what these evil women are capable of and how they are.
They are shameful, disgraceful and disgusting.
All the verses you quoted earlier apply to yourselves, you evil, idle, gossiping witches.
Hmmm... So now not only do you lie, and slander, plus insult anyone who disagrees with you. But now you threaten violence?
Its ok, keep it up deborah, all this is doing is showing people exactly what you are.
(For the record, regardless of how many times you say it, I'm NOT one of the ladies you are accusing. Give it up already)
Another diversion tactic, to take the focus once again off the discrepancies shown (By YOU) on here.
Yet again you've failed to address anything mentioned, just more wild accusations. I think that quite telling, the fact that you keep avoiding the actual topics.
lol Deborah I'm not the person you keep refering to there, I didn't steal your puppy, hey I don't even have any pets lol. Nor have I ever been driven anywhere by you. I gotta agree with what D.F. is saying though, you're ruining your reputation enough without anyone elses help. The most I"ve done is pointed out the areas that I can prove you lied in. Court records don't lie. So tell me, the words you're saying are the words that a Christian should be saying then? I'd hardly refer to myself as trouble making lol, some one telling the truth of situations isn't trouble making. The person lying (that'd be you deborah) would be the one making trouble. and mostly that trouble is for yourself, no one else. Because at this point people can read and see what kind of person you are and know that no one else is to blame but you.
CD host- I'm NOT responding to evil, idle gossiping witches' rants.
This church has NEVER dealt with these women as they should, and some of this garbage on here is from them.
All the courtroom stuff, the stuff about my foster children is from them.
Now, I ask you, which is more serious?
Women such as this or someone who writes a Letter to the Editor because they are VERY concerned about their city?
Let's hear the lie that the one witch passed on to Pastor Mike, at church, in the first place.
What did you say to him, witch?
All three of these women should be the ones BOOTED OUT of this church. They are NOTHING but trouble and have been since DAY ONE, is what former members REPEATEDLY tell me.
These witches DON'T want to get caught in the multiplicity of their lies.
If anyone from Bethel, besides these witches, is reading this, I am requesting a meeting with you, to deal with the lies from these witches.
I'd like to REBUKE the gossiping, slandering, lying demons in these evil, vile things and expose these women for WHAT and WHO they REALLY are.
Please give me a meeting with these women, anyone else who has any issues with me and with some of the leadership of Bethel.
I'd like to have this meeting as soon as possible.
Then perhaps you could also answer some of these other questions that I have.
I have absolutely ZERO TOLERANCE for gossip, trouble making, lying, all of that crap.
If you are really men in there, then let's have ourselves a meeting.
I'd like to clear up and clarify things to the leadership of this church.
Will you give me that meeting?
deborah, really i don't know how often i have to say this, I am NOT one of the ladies you are accusing of these things. Yet again i'll point out, that i do Not attend Bethel.
Aside from that, the whole 'court issue and foster children thing' you pointed out, what about them? everything that was mentioned on here by myself is true. T.T. pointed out some discrepancies and backed her points up with websites and proof. You keep asking what is worse? Lying. You spreading lies. That is worse.
You don't like what we're saying because you know it is truth, You don't like that you can't play the victim as easily when there are people like us willing to step in and let people know that you are lying.
You've threatened violence and called us filthy names, now tell me, WHO doesn't talk like a Christian?
You Know we're telling the truth, that's what's getting you so angry.
CD host- In the letter that I received from Pastor Mike, it stated that, "he read my letter to the editor with embarassment."
Well, now this Pastor wants to control what I write to the editor of our local paper?
You see, this Pastor is FRIENDS with the Mayor. The Mayor's campaign Mgr. and MOST of his campaign team, from the last election, were from this church.
The Mayor allows these Pastors to pray at City Hall.
I TRULY BELIEVE that they have blurred the line between their religion and their politics.
I have EVERY RIGHT to express my concerns about our city and its leadership.
Perhaps the Pastor should check and see if it was his ego and his pride that was truly offended in the first place.
I've absolutely NEVER heard of anything such as this in my ENTIRE life before.
You get asked to leave a church right after you write a Letter to the Editor? This is crazy!
Then the following Sunday, the Pastor then speaks to his entire congregation about the DISCIPLINE OF THE CHURCH being DIFFERENT from what the world thinks.
Nope. Methinks this just REEKS of politics.
This is a Conservative church which supports their Conservative Mayor.
That's fine but HOW DARE YOU do this to me because I see the things that are going on BEHIND the scenes and I am appalled and I try to address these.
Look at what these trouble-making women have done within this church; this is WAY MORE SERIOUS than my writing a Letter to the Editor and yet this is all let go.
Talk about hypocrisy!
For all I know this witch who approached me could be in cahoots with Pastor Mike.
Who knows?
All I know is that this is the MOST BIZARRE SITUATION that I EVER expected to find myself in.
They won't meet with me. They won't reply to me. They want nothing further to do with me.
Who is afraid of what lie that they have told being uncovered now?
I'll bring two other Pastors with me and they can share their own personal experiences also.
Yes, let's have that meeting and soon.
Did the board of Bethel pressure Pastor Mike to write that letter or was that of his own fruition?
Did they threaten to fire him if he DIDN'T write that letter to me?
Let's hear what the real truth is on this.
If they won't provide me with that meeting, I will force this to be investigated via the media during this upcoming election.
NOBODY is going to do the plethora of things that were done to me and get away with this.
I am demanding accountability in each and every situation that involves myself.
NOBODY is going to smear me like they have and then just walk away unscathed.
I demand some answers here, some accountability, etc.
Just think how YOU would feel if you had this kind of crap done to you.
The Golden Rule which is also taken from the Bible states: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Well, hurry up Bethel, when are we going to have that meeting?
I'll bring all my witnesses to you there or would you rather have this meeting through the media out in the public domain?
It's your choice.
Either way, the real truth IS going to come out. I will force this to happen.
How about you just try and answer some of the questions you've been asked by D.F and myself. You have yet to respond at all. Blaming everything on Pastor Mike and the church went well for you last election, but it will not this time.
Right. Everyone else is in on this Big conspiracy to defame you.
T.T. is right you've still yet to address any questions for proof from anyone who has asked you.
This is just getting sad now deborah, i think anyone who reads this will easily know just how troubled you are.
No one wants to listen to someone who can't take responsibility for themselves, who tries to blame all their troubles on everyone else. I imagine no one is willing to meet with you because they've just had enough of this garbage you keep making up.
So just so i'm striaight here, its the church, school division, pound and all the conservative leadership in Brandon that are all in on this Giant conspiracy aimed right at you?
Its great that you have such a magnified view of your importance, but i hope you do realize that you will not even be a blip on any of their radars. People are just not willing to keep playing these stupid games with you deborah.
I have NO magnified view of my importance WHATSOEVER.
I am running for a leadership position because I want to SERVE.
I want to SERVE the citizens of Brandon.
I'd like to see our students from BU, ACC, the Brandon School Division, cut some ribbons, sit in the Mayor's vehicle for parades, etc.
Let's empower our young people.
I'd like to see us opening some water wells in other countries.
I'd like to see Brandon OPEN for business in EVERY way.
I would like to use the functional family model as a model for City Hall and all meetings.
Any organization is only going to be as good as it's LEADER.
I'd like to lead because I have some good ideas.
I'd like to see this community working together towards common goals.
I would ask ALL the political parties to come to the table.
This is about what is in the BEST INTERESTS for Brandon. This is NOT about partisan politics or personal agendas.
This is about what is in the VERY BEST INTERESTS for this majority electorate and for Brandon's future.
I want to work like a tiger behind the scenes.
I am confident and secure enough in who I am that I DO NOT REQUIRE any accolades.
I just want to work my butt off for this electorate because I REALLY CARE about where we are going and about our future.
I absolutely ABHORE GOSSIP and anyone who gossips.
I absolutely WILL NOT TOLERATE gossip.
I never grew up with that in my home and I absolutely CAN'T STAND it.
I believe that gossip shows a weakness in one's character.
You claim that you are not from the church and yet in earlier posts, you make statements that indicate and prove that you are.
Everything that happened is coming out in the wash.
You can run but you can't hide.
Everything that anybody said and did is going to be exposed.
I'm going to see to it!
I want to see our young people empowered and equipped.
We should send them out from Brandon, confident, competent and ready to take on ANY challenge.
Perhaps we should get some Reach for the Top debate clubs going again.
We need some incentives for our young people to KEEP them here after they graduate.
We SHOULD BE a hopping, happening place.
This race is all about moving forward and improving from where we are.
Some of the trades people tell me that they are NOT getting paid the same wages that they could be getting if they worked in Portage La Prairie or Winnipeg.
Well, let's see that change. There SHOULD BE wage parody in the trades.
There is a parent from one of the schools and she indicated at the Town Hall Meeting that she had NO vehicle.
Well, we could do some POSITIVE things and we could try to get her a used vehicle so that she could get her kids to school.
There are SO MANY ways in which we can improve and this is what this race is ALL about.
We need a leader who is going to FIGHT for the best interests of ALL of the citizens of Brandon and NOT just for their buddies, relatives and political allies.
I'd like to see WAY MORE women in City Hall.
I think that we could do a MUCH BETTER JOB than I have seen these men accomplish over the years.
I truly believe that it is TIME for some NEW ideas and NEW leadership over Brandon.
We have such ENORMOUS potential as a city.
I'd like to engage this electorate in this election.
They desperately NEED to be involved.
There is a lot to decide.
Why couldn't this milieu school be located at the old Convergys building?
This would make MUCH more sense than uprooting three schools, teachers, parents and students.
I DON'T KNOW what you are talking about regarding the last election.
NOBODY ran down Bethel. There was NO mention of Bethel in the last election.
If there was, it certainly wasn't made by me. The media did that and everybody else that has seen what has gone on here regarding myself and Bethel.
This is a ridiculous situation for a multitude of reasons.
I DON'T THINK that anyone REALLY CARES about this.
They are ONLY interested in the topics concerning this race.
If they ask me about Bethel, well, I'm going to tell them what my experience has been with this church.
I'm NOT SURE that this will even come up at all because there are SO MANY MORE IMPORTANT and pressing issues, topics to talk about.
I am getting my frustrations out about this church and some of it's members on this blog.
To the witches who posted:
It DOES NOT matter if the church service was in the morning or the evening.
I thought the service was in the morning.
IRREGARDLESS, this DOES NOT give anyone a reason to call a Child Care agency from the church.
This is despicable and says MORE about some of the individuals within this church than anything else.
I had Mr. Paterson as a lawyer regarding my house that was sold and the one I bought and regarding child support payments from my ex. if you must know.
I DIDN'T even know that he took me to court twice.
I DIDN'T pay him the last bill because he didn't LISTEN to me when I told him that I am NOT signing those house papers.
I thought that the ONLY WAY that I could get his ATTENTION and get him to understand what he did was by REFUSING to pay my bill.
I THOUGHT that he might understand that.
I should pay this eventually because this money should go to another lawyer in his office for her services regarding obtaining child support payments.
But for now, IF THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN GET THIS MAN to UNDERSTAND and see what he did is to withhold payment, well that is what I am doing.
He said to me in his office, "Isn't there a man here that I can deal with?" "If you don't sign these papers, you'll have to get another lawyer." "Can't you do this parging yourself?"
So much for going to a lawyer and getting any help.
I had no lawyer in my other cases or else I would have won them.
Just to clarify, the money to help someone out would NOT be coming from the City of Brandon coffers.
Not paying attention to foster children is acceptable in your world? In my world that means neglect. and again while I didn't phone, I understand why some one did. You lied about where you took them as they were NEVER taken to the nursery. How dare you accuse the woman who was in there of neglecting them like that. She's a far better woman than that and would never just let kids out. Also how do you not know you got taken to court lol, you'd think with how well experienced you are with the courts you'd have the common sense to know you were being taken to court. (BTW they can't just take you to court and not notify you before hand lol) Also not paying a lawyer for services is a bad idea, not only does it reflect very poorly on your character, it also reflects badly on your credit score lol. Also you wouldn't have won the other cases, as soon as the judge saw them it was dismissed lol. I do like though how you lied to begin with about not owing money to any lawyers, but yet when confronted with PROOF (via public records) you now backpeddle to try and cover it up. Also your comments regaurding not knowing you owed the lawyer money, but also with holding money to get his attention are contradicting. If you didn't know you owed him money you wouldn't be with holding anything. So how's it feel to be caught in another lie?
Well said T.T.!!
Deborah, you're telling too many lies, and starting to stumble over them. Maybe you should start keeping a list, might help you keep your lies organized.
Once again Deborah, no i don't attend there, i don't live in Brandon. But i do Vist as often as I'm in town. (See yet another one of your crazy obsessive conclusions, "she spoke against me, She MUST be that _____ from Bethel!") (I refuse to use the words you use, i'm not vulgar like that.)
You abhor gossips? Then I'd suggest you stop gossiping (and slandering, and lying, etc....) For someone who says they've never been around it, you seem quite well versed in it.
I'm really happy to see you finally stumbling over your lies, its great that people can now see truly how much you've lied. How willing you are to stay completely away from the truth.
Thanks deborah, i appreciate you finally getting caught up in your lies.
I REBUKE you two evil spirits.
I hope that the two of you DON'T call yourselves Christians because you SURELY don't act like them.
The two of you are being caught up within your OWN LIES.
I hope that the two of you will soon be EXPOSED for who YOU REALLY ARE.
Two vile, controlling spirits.
Lord, I bind the evil spirits in these two individuals and I loose the truth.
Lord, please EXPOSE these two individuals for WHO they really are.
You can be as defensive as you wish to be, the TRUTH is GOING to come out.
You'd think that you would WELCOME the truth.
What are you so afraid of?
Will it perhaps require you to LOOK WITHIN yourselves and acknowledge some things?
Is that the problem that you are both having?
I have NO PROBLEM looking within myself and accepting and acknowledging my own shortcomings.
I suggest that you both MIGHT TRY to do the same.
WHY are you being so defensive? What do you have to HIDE and/or to cover up?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
Soon, perhaps we will see.
This church SHOULD HAVE DEALT with the two of you a LONG time ago.
How many individuals have you hurt?
MANY is what I am hearing from former members.
They will be telling their stories soon and very soon.
Who are you going to blame then?
How will you get out of it then?
First witch, by the first initial L., WHAT did you tell Pastor Mike, witch?
What LIE did you tell him?
You only have YOURSELF to blame for getting this whole ball rolling in the first place.
So, pat yourself on the back, witch. I call it like I see it.
Second witch, G.K., at least I didn't have ALL of my children taken away by Child and Family Services.
Is that what you are jealous and angry about?
At least I WASN'T escorted out of the BRHA by two security guards because I was causing a disturbance at my former workplace.
This story was told to me by one of your "so-called" friends; probably another individual with the VERY SAME gossiping and controlling spirit qualities such as yourself.
You are the CONTROLLING SPIRIT witches of this church, along with Mrs. G. and you are going to be EXPOSED as such, SOON AND VERY SOON.
Perhaps there are more also. Well, then let's EXPOSE the whole lot of them.
Lord, please EXPOSE ALL of these witches and ALL of the nonsense going on in there for ALL to see.
No WONDER individuals want nothing to do with Christianity when they have the likes of YOU individuals within their churches.
But, my writing a Letter to the Editor was more serious than the behavior and actions of the three of you and maybe more.
Go figure!
mearly repeating what was already written by us really doesn't make sense deborah. WE haven't been spreading lies, we've been going on here correcting what you've been saying. Twice now, you've been proven a liar on here, with your own words you showed yourself to be lying. So how have we been caught up in lies?
Keep on doing what you want, all its doing is proving exactly what we've been saying. Every time you've posted lately you get stumbling in your own lies. so Please continue on, It's proving really beneficial for us.
You're right, the truth will come out, and you'll be shown to be a liar and a gossip. I can't wait for that day to come.
You keep saying we don't act like Christians? How? because we're speaking the truth? Do i have to point out that you've been the one saying filthy names and threatening violence? Is that the way a Christian acts? Really you've lost every level of credibility (Even the meager amount you may have had.) each time you type something you expose your lies.
lol, seriously deborah, I have no clue who these ladies (or their initials) are, lol.
I have all my children, and have no worries over S.S. removing them, nor have they ever been. (FYI social services doesn't just take away your foster children over one incident, they'll look into it, and if you're deem unfit then they remove the kids they put in your care. I imagine they have quite the file on you.)
I imagine you're threatening these ladies not me when you write these things then? (Again, i'm not one of them.) So just to let you know, i have taken screen shots and have them saved on my computer of each threat you made. If i find out you physically attacked whoever these ladies are, I will contact them and provide the evidence of your threats so they can go to the police.
YOu can keep saying i'm 'such and such' a person, but by your own words you've been seen for what you really are.
I do hope the truth comes out deborah, I really do. I'm not afraid of it at all. I just know what you are speaking is not the truth and as long as you're hear spreading false things others will be her to refute it!
I do not know nor have never met Ms. Boschman but would like to say
I miss the style that Ms. Boschman had previously of using caps when she believed something was very important or needed to be noted.
I truly believe it was easiest to see how deeply she felt and the turmoil that she is in. Without the caps, this is more like any other blog you might read.
s.
Dear Anonymous:
I was scolded for using the caps earlier and so I actually LISTENED to an earlier post and I stopped using these.
Yes, you are incredibly correct when you state that I AM INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED.
That indeed I TRULY AM!
An earlier poster told me that my using caps was like yelling and so I stopped using them.
why does it matter if you post a letter from the pastor? that's probably the only part of your STORIES that people aren't disputing. I'm sure he did tell you that any further correspondence would be deleted. I would too if you were harassing me as much as you have been him.
Deborah,
I don't attend Bethel, but from following this conversation...
Let's just run down your most recent list:
-The reason that it is important that it was an evening service, is that there would have been no children's church, and therefore no children's care upstairs. (You claimed to take your children upstairs)
This is important for two reasons.....#1 it points that you either lied about the incidents involving the children, or you are greatly confused about the details surrounding the incident. The second reason it is important is because....whichever of the two it is, it brings into question the credibility of any other claim you make. If you lied, are you lying again? If you were confused, are you confused about anything else?
(a sub point which has been brought up is that either way you falsley accused the child care worker of neglecting the children, having that been brought to your attention, you show no remorse)
-Regarding Mr Patterson,
You must have realized that he took you to court twice. The reason being that the court documents state that there was a notice of intention to appear sent both times via registered mail. I'm not sure if the documents are stating that you sent it, or that it was sent to you(I think it is the latter). Registered mail = proof of delivery is required. So either way, you must have known, you just failed to show.
I think you are completely missing the points the DF and TT are making.
The reason they are "attacking you" is because ANY response you have to them is in attack. Consider your tone, and content before you accuse them.
I will be responding again in the future.
Uh Deborah you tried to sue them, why would they participate in any further correspondence with you? I'm sure they probably did write that, and with good reason. It makes good legal sense not to correspond with some one who's tried to take you to court in the past. Besides that what do you have to say to him that is such utter importance that he needs to hear? More name calling to members? Telling him how he should do his job?
I have other witnesses who are coming forth.
Two are former members of Bethel.
One left because she also saw what was going on regarding the witches of Bethel and she can testify of her own experience/s with them.
She came up to me at a greenhouse the other weekend to tell me all about her experience.
I had NO IDEA. I just assumed that she still attended church there.
The other lady who called me up randomly on the telephone said that she is tired of, "all the fakes and phonies" within our churches.
She said that she had trouble with a couple from Bethel.
I never dealt with these individuals and I had NO trouble at all with this couple.
This, however, does not negate the fact that someone else did, was or does.
I encouraged her to call this couple herself which she said that she tried but to no avail.
I then encouraged her to call Bethel and to take it up with the church.
She told me that this problem was NOT resolved and that she is exposing this in the upcoming election because she is still VERY upset.
I never met this woman and I don't even know her.
She called me up out of the blue.
It DOES NOT matter where my foster children were.
I told you before that I believed them to be upstairs in the Sunday School program.
It DOESN'T MATTER if they were upstairs or not upstairs.
SOMEONE FROM THIS CHURCH PHONED A CHILD CARE AGENCY to file a report against me instead of ever speaking to myself about this in the first place.
Is that what you do in a Christian church? To me, this is NOT acceptable conduct when this call is made directly from this church.
There are SO MANY WITNESSES regarding the unscrupulous Administrator's husband that it is ridiculous.
MANY individuals can testify to his unscrupulous behavior in MANY incidents.
A well known and documented gossip runs to a Pastor with a tale and it is NOT CHECKED OUT at all for it's validity.
I immediately receive a letter asking me to leave a church after this.
What did she say to him? I think that I have a right to know.
Next, another well known gossip, helps my neighbor take my 9 yr. old daughter's puppy away from us and TELLS ME ALL ABOUT HOW HER AND MY NEIGHBOR DID THIS.
Is this how you treat people if you call yourselves a Christian church?
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN MY LIFE before!
I WASN'T even a member of this church! I simply attended church there for five years.
Why were the comments of those who thought that this was wrong that you asked me to leave DELETED immediately from the church web page?
I DON'T SEE anything like this coming from ANY OTHER church within Brandon.
Bethel DID NOT want to meet with me BEFORE I took them to court.
THIS IS WHY I took them to court in the first place, to FORCE a meeting with me to try to deal with some of these issues.
They even refused then.
That is going against what the Bible tells us to do.
I am just responding to what your members started in the first place.
If someone had a problem with myself and my worship at church, then why didn't someone come and speak to me about this?
I mean, I felt just TERRIBLE about that. I WASN'T even aware of this at all.
I felt embarrassed when I read about this on the Internet.
Someone from this church told a stranger who called into Bethel that there were "several incidents regarding myself. This was not the first incidence."
This woman then called me up and said to me, "Do you know what they are saying about you?"
Really? Well, what were those? Why DIDN'T I even know about these?
You are a large church. I am ONE person.
I think that EVERYONE should have been made to come together and RESOLVE this RIGHT AFTER that letter made it's way onto the front page of the Brandon Sun newspaper.
Instead, I was shunned and treated like I didn't even exist.
The aforementioned have been and are MY EXPERIENCES with members of this church that I have been trying to deal with.
Posting the same B.S. with absolutely nothing to back it up. People are getting tired of listening to your stories.
Nice to see the old tactics are back, of not addressing any questions and situations brought up.
So you deny lying about the lawyer? its been proven you knew. You stumbled on your own story and contradicted yourself already. how about you address that instead of going over the exact same lies over and over again.
Deborah there is so much you've left out of those stories. So so much. How about where you did seem like you tried to make it right, but then by the next week you were back to bashing the church again? Honestly if this was resolved and you would just stop this nonsense people would rejoice. The people at that church are not monsters, they hold no ill feelings towards you. Besides that while all this was going on and you were trying to take the church to court, Pastor mike never mentioned anything about you, at all. He did not say one negative thing about you. That should say a lot about his character due to the crap he had to put up with. As far as the sundayschool incident, there is no sunday school at Bethel, they stopped that around 10 years ago. the only program in the evening for children is nursery and the children were released (by you) to run off (I'm assuming you may have told them to go to the nursery, but they didn't listen?). Then when you found they weren't in the place you expected them to be you took it out and blamed it on the person in the nusery. Thats why it makes a difference, you refused to take responsibility for your actions and honestly not watching them and making sure they got to where they were supposed to be going was irresponsible. I honestly don't know who called CFS on you, I do know that people in authority positions (such as teachers, doctors, pastors etc..) are required to call and make a report if it falls in the guidlines of needing that done. It is the law for them (not saying that it was a pastor or staff from that church who called, I don't know who did, just trying to show thats its not as simple as you seem to think it is. and in all honesty you should be embarassed about blowing the hockey horn in church, after all its a church service not a hockey game, that was poor judgement. Of course they didn't want to meet with you before you took them to court too! you say your sorry then continue to do the same thing? You were untrustworthy and it wouldn't have been a wise choice to meet with some one who was so eager to go to the newpapers to tell a story with half truths. You say it wasn't you're fault the letter got out, but you were happy to pose with the letter for a picture and talk with anyone who'd listen for 2 seconds about it. You are not innocent in all that.
I don't think you took them to court just to talk. Your claim against them was for the amount of $10,000
Deborah --
You can send the letter to me and I can post it to a support site and link back:
cd.host@gmail.com.
Anonymous, yes, well, they CONSTANTLY told me to FORGIVE HIM.
I wanted the church to help me make this man ACCOUNTABLE for his actions.
They just didn't want to deal with this or make this man accountable.
I am a single parent and the ENTIRE FOUNDATION needs to be replaced, the sewer pipe, etc.
ALL of the things that need to be done will cost me TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in repairs.
They REFUSED to meet with me and I was FURIOUS about all of the things that had been covered up by the former Administrator's husband.
I wanted to make SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE for the actions of this man.
I wanted the church or someone to be made ACCOUNTABLE for this man's actions.
This is what I have learned thus far.
NOT EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY IS.
In fact, there increasingly appears to be NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENCE as to what is going on in the world with what is going on within some of our churches.
There are some wolves in our churches who are dressed up in sheep's clothing.
I have learned that saying you're a Christian can mean absolutely NOTHING at all to some individuals.
I have learned that I ABHORE GOSSIP and anyone connected with this EVEN MORE than I did before.
I trusted a gossip and she hurt and betrayed us TERRIBLY with her idle gossip and her busybody lifestyle.
How could you do this to my little girl and the puppy that she LOVED SO MUCH and that received as a gift from her daddy?
HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?
How COULD YOU betray us like this by going over to my neighbor's and sticking your nose into our business, gossip about us over there, all through the neighborhood and then help her to take our puppy away from my daughter?
HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO US after ALL we did for you for three years?
This shows her TRUE CHARACTER and nature and shows how UNDISCIPLINED and hurtful this woman REALLY IS.
I have NEVER felt such pain like this in my ENTIRE life.
They watched us continually.
She commented and meddled into my affairs constantly.
I guess that she will NEVER really understand WHAT SHE HAS DONE UNTIL THIS HAPPENS TO HER ONE DAY.
This neighbor has my daughter's puppy that her and this so-called Christian stole and took from our yard.
I have learned just HOW MUCH DAMAGE AN IDLE GOSSIP CAN DO WITHIN A CHURCH AND THE DAMAGE THAT SOMEONE LIKE THIS CAN INFLICT UPON MANY INNOCENT AND UNKNOWING INDIVIDUALS.
I have learned that, "People will treat us the way that we allow them to."
I have also learned that I like my new Pastor VERY MUCH.
I like the fact that he will absolutely NOT TOLERATE ANY NONSENSE WITHIN HIS CHURCH.
I respect a man who is a leader and who sets the tone within a church.
I also REALLY LIKE the fact that he DEEPLY CARES about the souls of the world.
He NEVER comments about political things at all.
I like the people who attend my church. They are humble people.
No one appears to be watching anyone else.
They all appear to be there for the sole purpose of worshipping God and trying to GROW in the Lord.
I have never experienced such deep and reverent worship as the worship is on Tuesday evenings.
Perhaps there are problems in EVERY church. I don't know.
I don't go looking for them and I sure have enjoyed peace in this church.
I have had ZERO PROBLEMS in this church with anyone or regarding ANY matter.
I am still the same person. Nothing has changed except my church.
Deborah, your reasoning still does not make any sense. If it was the former administrators husband you had a problem with, then it should have been him you sued.
Going after the church for the money you felt you were owed by him, does not make sense.
Your reasons for taking Bethel to court have changed already.
At first it was to get someone to talk to you, now it was to make the church accountable for his actions.
What was it?
why would the church be accountable for some one elses actions? that doesn't make sense? they should have to pay for the repairs because you failed to get the house properly inspected? Besides that what makes you so sure that the person who owned the house before you knew of all the work it needed? Perhaps they had no idea either? If you house needs that much work and you are in no position to be able to fix it there are programs by the government for repairing homes etc. You'll have to look into it, but you might be able to get at least some of it paid for. What I really don't get though, is you coming on here saying how much you hate gossip. But what you're doing is gossiping about the church right now. making accusations at people talking about them behind their backs etc.. seeking people out to gossip. Why can't you see that? You're doing that which you say you hate? Revenge against a church that you some how think wronged you is not a political platform and really should have nothing to do with with you running for mayor, but yet you keep trying to make it that. It honestly doesn't make sense at all.
So just so i can get this straight, now your story is you took the church to court so you could hold them responsible for your house???
At what point does it become their responsibility to pay for your home? A former staff member sold it to you and suddenly it's the churches fault that you need a new foundation? was it the humane society/pounds fault too? I notice you took them to court (and lost) and tried to sue them for 10,000 as well. Or maybe its the BSD's fault as well? Since you also sued them for 10,000. (lost that too!)
Your home has absolutely NOTHING to do with the church, they are in no way responsible for YOUR choices. In the first place i have a hard time believing that the previous owner tried to hide the problems in the house. Secondly, there are home inspectors for a reason, because YOU failed to look into the house a bit more its suddenly the Church's fault?
I wouldn't meet with you either if all you were doing was slandering and ranting against an former member. This had NOTHING to do with the church.
You suing them was a get money quick scheme that failed. Now you're trying to bully them in paying you up somehow, by speaking badly against them and slandering them? Good for the Pastor refusing to speak with you/correspond with you! That shows quite a bit of maturity on his part!
And you question their level of Christianity?
An interesting note about this "awful" church (as you so fondly call it), didn't they either pay for your groceries or pay some sort of bill of yours? (I'm fuzzy on the immediate details, but i know they paid some form of your bills, more than once) Is that what a horrible church does? For someone who claims they were never a member and that the church was so awful to you, you seem to have been happy to accept their money. Apparently it just wasn't enough? You wanted to snatch some more away so you sued them?
(FYI, the church had been paying these bills before the problems with her came up, so it wasn't because they felt a level of responsibility for her. But because they act like REAL Christians and chose to help someone in need.)
Is this what we can expect from you from now on? each time people don't do what deborah wants, you slander and lie about them? You call them filthy names and threaten them because they aren't doing what YOU WANT? Who has a controlling spirit again? I'm a little confused on that one...
You tell me ANYWHERE ELSE where you get asked to leave your church because you write a Letter to the Editor?
Tell me IF you have EVER heard of this happening ANYWHERE else before?
I think that this is RIDICULOUS and just reeks of political Conservative overtones.
The Pastor said that he was embarrassed to read my letter.
Why?
What was the REAL REASON that he felt so embarrassed?
I spoke to another Pastor about this and he said that I should have been approached PERSONALLY and that I should NOT have received a letter.
I was told by someone VERY CLOSE to this Pastor that he also had PROBLEMS with someone who was on his Board previously and who is now on the Board of Bethel.
This person told me that this former Board member did not get HIS OWN WAY on this Board and so he quit.
I was told that this person said TERRIBLE things to them at a Board meeting and then convinced Bethel to stop giving money to this charitable church and organization.
The person who told me this was also on this same Board.
I spoke to Pastor Mike the day before I received this letter and he made NO MENTION of ANYTHING to me that was OUT of the ordinary.
I had actually called him to ask him to please pray with me regarding the situation about my daughter's puppy.
The next day I received this letter.
Of course, I was absolutely SHOCKED AND STUNNED and yes I WAS VERY ANGRY, especially because of what I had put up with from these gossips, the former Administrator's husband, all of the other aforementioned events and instances.
I repeatedly asked Pastor Mike to HELP ME make these individuals ACCOUNTABLE for their actions regarding what they had covered up in this house.
I am NOT making this part of ANY election platform.
I'm just going to be HONEST with anyone who might ask me what happened here.
The aforementioned is what happened.
Yes, the Board of Bethel blessed me with some money before Christmas one year and also perhaps on another occasion and I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THIS, INDEED!
I never solicited this money from them.
Yes, that was VERY KIND OF THEM to do this for me and I APPRECIATED THIS GREATLY! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
Yes, when they were kind, they were VERY KIND but I felt that when they perceived to be threatened, that they could also become very cruel.
Are we as Christians, not SUPPOSE to hold each other ACCOUNTABLE for our actions towards others and towards each other?
I would sure have appreciated getting some help holding these individuals accountable regarding ALL of the things that were covered up in this house.
The bible even tells us what to do regarding this instance. I tried to do this but it appeared that I was thwarted at every turn.
Things were LITERALLY COVERED UP in most instances with particle board, you name it.
The two individuals who came to my home also witnessed this for themselves.
This is NOT how we are suppose to treat one another IF we call ourselves Christians.
How is this ANY DIFFERENT from the world?
I don't see ANY DIFFERENCE here at all.
There are REAL, GENUINE CHRISTIANS who are the REAL DEAL and then there are the COUNTERFEIT Christians.
I believe that I have crossed paths with several of these Counterfeit ones.
So you took them to court for 10,000 dollars because they wouldn't deal with you and this other person's private business? Its a HOUSE for crying out loud! The church is NOT responsible for YOU buying the house WITHOUT an inspection. The church is NOT responsible for any repairs that the former owners didn't do.
YOU bought the house, YOU decided to forego a home inspection, YOU made a poor decision. YOU need to take responsibility for it and STOP trying to drag a church through the mud because they didn't do what YOU want.
Stop shucking the responsibility deborah and trying to blame other's.
You in a previous post was complaining that CHRISTIANS were not supposed to take each other to court, but when its pointed out that this is EXACTLY what you did, suddenly that's not your fault either. "THEY MADE ME DO IT." Why? because they didn't do exactly as deborah wanted? Wow How Unchristian of them, to not follow your opinion and instrucions to the letter.
Every problem you've put on here is somehow magically someone elses fault. NOT ONCE have you actually taken responsibility for any of it. EVEN when it was pointed out that YOU falsely accused the nursery worker, (I believe you were quite nasty to her as well) of losing YOUR foster children (You were the one who released them from your care rather than walk them like you were supposed to.) You STILL didn't take responsibility for it!!! Instead you blamed others "Well why didn't someone stop them" Instead of admitting mistakes you CONTINUALLY pass the buck, You continually try to place the blame of absolutely EVERYTHING on everyone but yourself. Did you ever apologize to the lady you falsely accused? (I believe you have NOT), Did you ever admit (Since you accused the church of it) that This was YOUR fault and YOUR responsibility that YOU didn't follow through on? Again, NO you haven't.
FYI, I've worked with Social services plenty (as both a foster parent and in other manners.) I know the ins and outs of their stance on foster care. They WOULD NOT have removed your foster children over ONE incident, especially one of losing the children on the playground. For them to have removed the kids, There would HAVE to have been more then one complaint lodged against you. Not only that, they don't close down foster homes without an investigation. If they closed you down, then its because THEY saw you as unfit. SO stop blaming the church for Social Services removing the foster children. They don't receive one (Un-investigated) complaint and then remove the children. The kids would have been removed because THEY (social services) SAW a reason for it.
Perhaps they just picked up on what we've been seeing on here. The lack of responsibility, the outrageous claims, the obsessive need to continually attack all who do not agree with you. The vulgar language, and threats.
"Are we as Christians, not SUPPOSE to hold each other ACCOUNTABLE for our actions towards others and towards each other?"
So, that works only when it works in your favour, but when you were made accountable for your actions, suddenly its wrong? I didn't realize that accountability mattered only when it was convenient for deborah.
(FYI, her actions were much more then what SHE told the media, and has written on here. It was really convenient for her, Churches, especially Pastors have to follow the rules of confidentiality. Had the Pastor spoken to the media about what went on, that would have broken confidentiality and opened many other legal battles. Nice how that wasn't printed by either deborah or the media.)
DF --
Again I don't Canadian law but in the US pastors most certainly are not held to confidentiality, for example Penley v Westbrook.
Cd host,
It may be not be the law in the U.S. but I know in Canada, Pastors are Taught that there are legal consequences to breaking confidentiality. This might be a loose interpretation by superiors (those who teach/train pastors,) I'm not sure, but i do know they are taught this.
Hold UP!
Deborah, you just said something that caught my attention.
I've been going through this discussion and have been creating a detailed list of every claim made, every link suggested, and every counter argument.
This whole time you've been suggesting that the letter was the catalyst of this whole situation. (Even the dog)
AND now, you state that the dog incident happened well before the letter. When you claimed that the lady spoke to Pastor the Sunday before you received the letter, and then that you spoke with Pastor about the Dog incident before receiving the letter.
Now, I am by no means suggesting you lied.
But from reading your story, I have come to the conclusion that you make a lot of assumptions. And these assumptions create a long story of their own.
For instance.....
Lady speaks to pastor....a week later, pastor sends me a letter....Lady must have lied about me.
OR the big one
-Woman from Bethel helps take my dog...
-Bethel must be involved...
-Neighbors daughter works for pound...
-Neighbors relative is a animal control office...
-The city must be in on it...
-Lady from Bethel works for MTS...
-CITY and BETHEL must be involved in this.
-All three have links to city hall....(you actually claim all three are run by the Mayor)
-The mayor runs city hall
-None of this started until I wrote a letter criticizing the mayor and city council....
-Someone from the Mayor's office must be trying to run me out of town
I'm not even half way through my list....but I have found that all of your stories have a hint of truth....so again I'm not suggesting you lied
CD host, In canada pastors are held to the same confidentiality clauses as Counsellors.
Deborah I like how you'll try and point out how to do something biblically in your post, yet when its mentioned to you that what you're doing is unbiblical you'll name call and ignore. You can't have it both ways. Either you follow the bible or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose which parts to pay attention to.
I googled it, and from what i can see online, Yes pastors are held to the same level of confidentiality as counsellors. The only exception i found were with murder cases. Canada's laws are vastly different that U.S. laws, we fall more in line with the British laws.
TRT, no unfortunately I am NOT the only one who has had to deal with SURREAL CIRCUMSTANCES living here in Brandon.
Sadly, there are others.
There's also ANOTHER reference on the Internet to something that an individual was told when they phoned in to speak with the Pastor.
It refers to myself.
I'll have to find it and report where this can be found.
I was very upset with Bethel anyway but then when I found this post on the Internet, I was absolutely infuriated, incensed and even more outraged.
What was posted was simply NOT true at all. It was erroneous information.
I responded to this post and that is how this entire blog got started because it involves comments that were erroneously posted about myself.
The young man apologized to me for this and I VERY GRATEFULLY accepted that apology.
I never blamed this Nursery School worker personally. I just stated that I believed that this is where the children were.
This is the spin of individuals who are known trouble makers within this church.
These women should be charged with mischief for ALL of the nonsense that they have caused to MANY individuals over the years.
One of these women lives off of the $1000.00 per month that she forces her mother to give her.
She does NOT work. She is an idle gossip. She likes to get into people's lives and cause trouble and then try to control them.
She doesn't shut up. She runs from house to house and in and out of the church with her tales. I should have NEVER let this woman into my home in the first place.
This was the BIGGEST mistake of my life.
There are 5 other individuals who are coming forward.
Their puppies were also picked up by this same Bylaw officer.
Neighbors phoned and complained and all but one of these were women and single parents.
There is a pattern here.
Most of these individuals also lost their puppies.
One man said that the Bylaw officer came right into his yard and took his puppy right off of its leash.
His neighbor saw this and video taped this incident.
This man got his puppy back.
One of these women called City Hall and the Mayor's Secretary told her, "Well, Mayor Dave would NEVER overrule a Bylaw officer."
There is MUCH that we are going to expose and reveal in this upcoming election.
There has been MUCH that has gone on here over the years within this city.
MANY individuals have told me MANY stories about their own experiences of butting heads with City Hall, etc.
Well, let's hear them all.
You all have to understand how INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED I AM.
I called Errol Black. I called Garth Rice. I called Mayor Dave's office.
I called EVERYONE. I went to the Police Station. We cried and begged and pleaded with the man in charge of the Bylaw Officers to PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GIVE MY DAUGHTER HER PUPPY BACK. PLEASE.
We begged them.
This neighbor and this busybody from Bethel collaborated together.
They absolutely WOULD NOT LEAVE US ALONE.
My God, I almost went to a City Council meeting to start yelling at them, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS IN HEAVEN, PLEASE GET MY DAUGHTER'S PUPPY BACK, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!
We currently live DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS LYING WENCH WHO STOLE AND STILL HAS MY DAUGHTER'S PUPPY.
You try living with that for a while.
The idle, sickening gossip from Bethel TOLD ME ALL ABOUT HOW THEY DID THIS.
EVERYONE HAS THEIR THUMB UP THEIR ANAL SPHINCTER and NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP US!
MY LORD JESUS, THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.
This woman is a THIEF AND A LIAR and between all the bozos at City Hall, and their STUPID POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TO FIX THIS SITUATION!
ALL OF THESE WOMEN SHOULD BE THROWN INTO JAIL.
They conspired to do this to us.
Peaches was NEVER out of our yard.
This filthy, lying gossip from Bethel HELPED MY NEIGHBOR AND SHE TOLD ME ALL ABOUT THIS.
GOD ALMIGHTY, I HAVE BEGGED GOD TO GIVE US OUR PUPPY BACK.
EVERY TIME we tried to get our puppy back, this stupid, sick, mentally ill woman has charged me with assault and NEVER ONCE DID I EVER TOUCH THIS CRAZY WOMAN.
HOW MUCH MORE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN TO GET SOME ACTION IN THIS CITY?
LOOK AT WHAT HAS GONE ON HERE AND NOBODY MOVES. NOBODY DOES ANYTHING.
Legal Aid told me that a dog is NOT important enough for them to give me a lawyer.
I SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE BECAUSE I FEARED THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY HARASSED US TERRIBLY. THEY JUST WOULD NOT LEAVE US ALONE.
THESE IDLE WITCHES WOULD NOT LEAVE US ALONE. THIS WITCH FROM BETHEL JUST WOULDN'T STAY OUT OF MY BUSINESS. There she was over at my neighbor's. I SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE SO MANY TIMES!
She just couldn't mind her own business if her life depended upon it.
NOTHING HURTS YOU MORE THAN WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO YOUR CHILD.
MY GOD, THIS IS HARD.
THIS NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US ALREADY HAD A DOG AND TWO CATS, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS.
HOW STUPID ARE THEY AT CITY HALL?
They are ALL going to hear from myself and others during this upcoming election.
WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN THIS CITY TO GET SOME ACTION ON A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES HERE?
GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY, IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS WHAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO PUT WITH AND still nobody moves.
"I never blamed this Nursery School worker personally. I just stated that I believed that this is where the children were."
Deborah, that's an outright LIE! You most certainly did blame this worker, to her face and in front of a lot of people! There were a lot of people who witnessed you yelling at her, i don't know why you think you can get away with lying about this too!! There were witnesses to all of it!
Is there anything you're NOT willing to lie about?
Plus yet again, you didn't address TRT's post other than to say its surreal, he/she POINTED out inconsistencies in your time lines. Don't you have anything to say about that? Or is it easier to just sweep that under the rug too? Pretend it didn't happen so you don't get too caught up in your lies?
DF --
I googled it, and from what i can see online, Yes pastors are held to the same level of confidentiality as counsellors. The only exception i found were with murder cases. Canada's laws are vastly different that U.S. laws, we fall more in line with the British laws.
Could you expand on this? What are confidentiality statues in Canada? For example:
1) Can the parishioner waive confidentiality or is absolute?
2) Can a court breach this confidentiality? If so can other government officials as a matter of course?
3) Are their penalties for breaching confidentiality and if so criminal or civil?
4) Does the confidentiality extend to the church? If so how is church discipline handled?
5) What are the laws regarding shunning?
I can't expand on much more than what i've already said, (Not super versed in the law,). I'm not sure of all the particulars. What i read said that there was a legal 'expectancy of confidentiality' regarding conversations with ministers. Clergy who break confidentiality can be taken to court (sued?) with pastoral misconduct. The only exceptions that i saw was in a court case where someone admitted (to a minister) their involvement in a violent crime (murder in that case) or were planning on committing a violent crime.
I don't know if a person can waive it, or if the courts can breach it. You'd have to find some one much more versed in legalese for those questions.
As for shunning, I know the church deborah is speaking about is a Pentecostal church, and we (I'm speaking as a Pentecostal, not a member of her church. My church is also part of the same denomination.) don't do shunnings. I'm Not sure which denominations do or if any still do. She was asked to find a new place of worship, no one was told to shun her.
Deborah...
Please re-read D.F's last few posts.
They are NOT a member of Bethel. They've stated they attend another PAOC church
Despite your claims,
What is being said on here is not a result of anyone's gossip from Bethel
D.F and T.T have spoken only from first hand accounts.
I am only speaking based on what YOU'VE said here.
Being that I have no first hand experience from you, I cannot make claim as to whether or not you lied.
Deborah, calling me dirty names, doesn't make what i said less true. But it is showing your true character. Like TRT has pointed out and i have said numerous times I do not attend bethel, I have my own church i attend. I do visit them often though when i am in town.
As for the worker, you know very well who it was, I'm not playing your games anymore. You are well aware that what myself and TT have said is the truth, you are well aware that what you've been saying is not truthful.
(she takes things with hints of truth, such as the letter from the pastor, and builds off of those.)
I know my Bible quite well, and You should know what the Bible says about liars and slanderers, i posted the verses on here for you.
I'll happily take all the filth you are throwing my way, it only reinforces what I've been saying all along. People don't do what deborah wants and she attacks them, You don't agree with deborah, and she attacks you. Its par for the course.
Also Deborah,
Don't call D.F. a gossip, as 1) they are speaking directly to you and 2) they are speaking of first hand accounts
And based on the unspoken precedent you've set (from what I can tell), "it's not gossip if you saw it yourself"
So with that. Let's look at your record in this conversation
- You talk about neighbor calling police on husband (if this is true, it's a very personal matter, which you of all people should know has no place on a public forum)
- You claim neighbor has mental health issues (again, personal matter if true)
- You mention at least twice, that you heard that someone had to be escorted out of their work by security
- Someone said that someone swore!
- Someone said that someone sold cars without a license
- One of these women lives off of $1000 a month from her mother (unclear if this is gossip or that the woman recieving the money told you)
There are at least 6 cases of gossip in your posts. They being gossip if they meet the criteria of 1) Not being told directly to the person it involved, and 2) Not being from first hand account
There's actually about double the instances that I would consider gossip in my book.(Things that should be between you and the person it involves ONLY)
But DF and TT have not once spoken with words of Gossip. They have only spoken to You about You.
You say Christians should keep each other accountable, and that is what they are doing (I will admit their motives are a little less than loving, but so are yours). You on the other hand speak behind peoples backs in a very hurtful way.
Since there are several comments already responding to the liar comment I thought this note was opportune.
I deleted Deborah's rather long rant at DF, and she did call DF a liar along with some other attacks. I'm not sure who this discussion is fruitful for anymore. It seems like the issues have been explored. If you all want to continue discussing the election as it moves forward you are welcome too, but again please watch your tone. I know this is heated but everyone needs to try and keep their cool.
DF --
At least according to American law violating an exception of confidentiality is not serious. By talking about the incident Deborah would have waived her expectation. For example if I make a phone call to my wife even though the call can be recorded I have an expectation that the call will not be recorded and if recorded will not distributed. On the other hand if I sue Verizon I waive that right.
We would likely need a Canadian lawyer for this but:
1) You are losing the term improperly
2) It means something stronger in Canada
3) The case no longer has such an expectation attached.
As for the nursery worker (not sundayschool teacher as again there hasn't been sundayschool there for about 10 years) I was there when you accused her of losing your foster children. You did outright blame her for them being missing even though it was not her fault. I really don't think there's much more I can add? really it doesn't take much for people to read through these and find the contradictions in your stories. We see what happens when people disagree with you Deborah, you call them names like vile, demonic, witches etc.... You claim to be the only "true Chrisian" yet your words there wouldn't show that? Honestly though its beyond me why you think they would want a meeting with you, you can't compose yourself properly on a blog message board let alone get in a room with people who are not going to agree with a word you're saying. You're posioning your own chances at being a candidate in the mayoral election and any votes you may have had. I haven't made up a single thing on here, you know that. Oh and guess what? I'm writing this from work lol, so for what ever reason you seem to think I'm one of these three people I'm not lol. In all honesty Deborah people have tried compasion with you and you do nothing but throw it back at them and keep going. I admit when I first started reading this I felt horrible for you. Not because I believed what you said happened to you. But because I believed that you believed it and its probably really scary living in a world where you think everyone is against you. At this point any of those feelings of feeling bad for you really are gone. I still pray for you in hopes that one day you'll stop this. Honestly you are your own worst enemy deborah.
CD host Canadian laws are a lot stronger in that regaurd than american laws. Pastors/ministers/priests etc. can not talk about other people and what was talked about in confidence. They can be charged and sued. It would be the same as if a counsellor told other people about what they talked about with a client. Pastors are considered counsellors under canadian law and subjected to the same punishments as them.
This ABSOLUTELY DID NOT HAPPEN with this Sunday School worker.
These are lies from liars. There were and are ABSOLUTELY NOT many witnesses. These are OUTRIGHT LIES. There are NO WITNESSES because this NEVER occurred.
Bring them forth then to my face.
You can't. You can claim ALL SORTS of things as an anonymous person.
THIS IS WHY THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION, SO THAT ALL OF THESE SUPPOSED individuals can be made to give an account.
This is all part of this slandering tactic.
There are NO WITNESSES because there was NO YELLING (except perhaps in your mind).
This ABSOLUTELY DID NOT occur.
This is NOT the kind of person that I am.
Perhaps this is another of the lies that you ran to this Pastor with.
I should be glad to be out of there if these are the kind of people that you are.
I repeatedly went to Pastor Mike about the unscrupulous Administrator's husband and I made him aware of the unscrupulous things that he did to me.
Pastor Mike then took the unscrupulous Administrator's wife on a trip with himself and his wife TO AFRICA on a missions trip.
uh pastor mike didn't take anyone on a missions trip, they went as a group and all payed their own way lol. The administrator is a woman and doesn't have a wife lol only a husband. funny how the courts public records have no record of this administrators husband having done anything and being taken to court for it, yet you have lots. As far as the nursery incident. I'm not going to argue with you, I was there, I saw what happened. It is not the account you are sharing here.
I meant unscrupulous Administrator's husband's wife.
Also, in Pastor Mike's letter to me, in which he asked me to find another church to worship in, after I wrote a Letter to the Editor, he states that, "he is responsible unto God for the members of his congregation."
THAT is why I asked the church to be responsible for the actions of the unscrupulous Administrator's husband.
Or, is the Pastor only responsible unto God for the actions of those who write Letters to the Editor?
THAT is why I asked the church to be responsible unto God for this man's unscrupulous actions towards me regarding this house.
When does this statement apply? Only in some instances or in all instances?
you're being rediculous and you know it.
Deborah, he said responsible unto God, not to you. You wanted the church to pay up this sum you imagined you were owed, they refused, you took them to court, and lost. You're mad because they didn't do what you wanted them to do. Apparently it wasn't the cash grab you thought it would be.
T.T. is right, this is getting quite ridiculous, You did verbally attack this woman, you had her in tears. There are a ton of witnesses, i don't know how you can keep denying it happened.
I think deep down you know you are lying, and i think you realize how wrong it is.
You need to make this right with God first and foremost, this IS something that you will have to answer for before Him. And you need to make this right with those you've lied and slandered about.
I waver really between either feeling quite badly for you (i know the situations aren't true, but i'm not sure you are aware of it. Part of me thinks that you have convinced yourself that your perceived slights are actually what happened.) and another part of me is very angry. Angry that you would attack a place (the church) that i care very much about, and people that i have a great deal of respect for.
I have a great deal of respect and affection for this church, and you are doing them (and yourself) a great dis-service by the lies you've told. Those are my motives for coming on here and posting each time i see an untruth on here. I will not sit back silently and allow an attack like this without stepping forward and letting the truth be known.
tt, NO, not at all.
I'm just holding people accountable for what they tell me.
MY GOD, I BEGGED EVERYBODY, FRIENDS, FAMILY, PLEASE HELP ME TO GET PEACHES FROM THE POUND.
They were SUPPOSE to hold her there UNTIL I GOT PAID BUT INSTEAD, THEY DIDN'T.
I saw this neighbor's daughter taking Peaches over to her mother, WHO LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US!
The Animal Bylaw Officer told the court that he gave Peaches to her daughter. He said that THIS WOMAN PHONED HIM EVERY DAY.
This CRAZY NEIGHBOR told the court that SHE picked up Peaches.
Well, WHICH IS IT?
Small Claims court has both their testimonies on tape.
THEY WOULDN'T LEAVE US ALONE! OMG! THEY HARASSED US CONTINUALLY. OMG!
I NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!
We'd BETTER OPEN OUR EYES IN THIS FREAKING TOWN AND REALIZE THAT THINGS ARE NO LONGER AS THEY ONCE WERE.
PEOPLE LIE, EVEN OLD LADIES.
This neighbor has a file already with the Brandon Police.
SHE HAS TO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES! OMG!
My daughter was 9. This puppy was a GIFT FROM HER DADDY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD; WHOM SHE HARDLY EVER GETS TO SEE!
I went down to City Hall and I spoke to them there and I TOLD THEM THAT OUR PUPPY WAS STOLEN.
I talked to the Police but they said that because Peaches had already BEEN ADOPTED OUT TO THIS NEIGHBOR THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH SMALL CLAIMS COURT.
She gets a lawyer, Brian Mayes, to effectively and properly GET AWAY WITH STEALING MY DAUGHTER'S PUPPY!
BRITTANY CRIED AND CRIED AND CRIED. SHE MISSED SCHOOL. SHE COULDN'T SLEEP. SHE CRIED HERSELF TO SLEEP EVERY NIGHT!
THIS SICK WOMAN EVEN CAME OUTSIDE WHEN BRITTANY WAS SITTING OUTSIDE ON OUR STEPS, TO SHOW OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR'S GRANDDAUGHTER, MY DAUGHTER'S PUPPY.
THEY DID EVERYTHING TO PROVOKE ME AND TO PROVOKE US.
This was my DAUGHTER'S VERY FIRST PET. This woman ALREADY had a dog and two cats.
We drove 8 hours to bring Peaches back from her daddy's.
HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO A SMALL CHILD? OMG!
I contacted the Prime Minister's office. I will contact media from AROUND THE WORLD, IF I HAVE TO, TO GET JUSTICE FOR MYSELF AND MY DAUGHTER. I contacted agency after agency.
I contacted those who supervise the Police.
THIS WOMAN ASSAULTED ME AS PICTURES FROM THE BPS CLEARLY INDICATE. I NEVER TOUCHED THIS LUNATIC OF A WOMAN!
She was in our yard ALL week because they were fixing the fence in the yard that I was taking her to OUT OF BRANDON and it was on that Friday that they took our beautiful Peaches.
The Bylaw officer claimed in court that our fence was uninhabitable but IF IT WAS then why didn't Peaches get out on the Monday? Why did Peaches wait until Friday to get out of our very uninhabitable fence?
It's because she was taken out when I was away at work.
My children DID NOT TELL ME THAT THESE WOMEN WERE STALKING OUR YARD; this gossip from Bethel and my neighbor.
One of the neighbor kids also saw them.
THEY WOULD NOT LEAVE US ALONE. I SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE ON THESE WOMEN SO MANY TIMES! OMG!
That is why I asked this woman from Bethel to keep Peaches for us BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT THIS NEIGHBOR TAKING PEACHES AWAY FROM US.
WHEN I REFUSED TO GIVE PEACHES TO THIS WOMAN, SHE THEN HELPED MY NEIGHBOR TAKE PEACHES out of our yard and together they phoned the Animal Bylaw Officer.
This woman TOLD ME ALL ABOUT THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE FOR MY FAMILY!
I WANT MY DAUGHTER'S PEACHES BACK!
I HAVE BEGGED AND PLEADED WITH EVERYBODY TO HELP ME GET OUR PEACHES BACK.
IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO CAN HELP ME?
You ask someone to help you train your puppy. You DON'T EXPECT them to decide that they then want to keep it.
MY GOD! WHAT A SICK WORLD WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN!
or what a crazy world, whatever.
D.F., you are a delusional creature. Live in your fantasy land if you want to.
I know what happened and what you state IS NOT IT AT ALL.
You just want to cover up for your own actions and your church.
This is the VERY FIRST I hear of these other goings on that supposedly involve myself, that I have NEVER heard before and that ABSOLUTELY DO NOT EXIST AT ALL.
I made ABSOLUTELY NOBODY CRY. That's just one of the MOST RIDICULOUS and yet again slanderous things that I have heard.
I should take you guys to court all over again.
It's pathetic, REALLY pathetic.
You're stooping even lower than I thought you'd go.
Pathetic.
You got caught in the web of your own making and this is what you will make up in your defense?
PATHETIC!
Um.. What web? I haven't stumbled in what i've said, i've stuck to the truth. Nothing i've said contradicts itself. You however have contradicted your self a number of times (as not only myself has pointed out but a couple of others as well).
And seriously, i don't know how many times i have to say this, I am not a member of Bethel, i go to my own church, that is not even in the same province. I visit Bethel frequently when i'm in Brandon.
web of my own making? what on earth are you talking about? I haven't had to defend myself at all... I have spoke up against what you've said about the church.
"This is the VERY FIRST I hear of these other goings on that supposedly involve myself, that I have NEVER heard before and that ABSOLUTELY DO NOT EXIST AT ALL."
If this is the very first you've heard of it, how was it you said a few posts back that you didn't make the worker cry, you spoke calmly to her... so which story is it you're going with?
Deborah, you're stories are falling apart at the seams, you're not keeping what you've said straight. You've contradicted yourself many times. I think its quite obvious that your lies are now starting to trip you up.
"I should take you guys to court all over again."
and this is exactly why no one is willing to leave their names.
This was a LONG time ago and IF I spoke to a Sunday school worker AT ALL, I would have spoken VERY CALMLY and politely to her.
I treated people with respect. I always have and I ALWAYS did when I attended church there.
I would NEVER have spoken rudely to this Sunday school worker. This is NOT in keeping with my character at ALL!
That is why what you are saying are LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL ITSELF.
What is going on at Bethel or with yourself?
WHERE is ALL OF THIS coming from?
My goodness.
Anyone who knows me, KNOWS that this is NOT how I conduct myself AT ALL.
This is how I know that what you are saying is NOT TRUE at all.
This makes me feel VERY SAD that you actually believe this kind of garbage.
I am a teacher and a professional. I DO NOT treat others this way AT ALL. I NEVER HAVE.
That is why I was so INCREDIBLY HURT when this woman that I had just spoken very calmly and cordially to then ran over to whisper something to Pastor Mike.
I didn't even bother going over to Pastor Mike to ask him what she might have said because I DIDN'T THINK that I had to.
Has Bethel become like a Kindergarten class?
I was just listening to John Hagee tonight and he said, "You cannot change what you cannot confront."
I feel incredibly hurt and sad that you actually want to believe that lie and that you have even spoken it forth.
This is NOT how I am or have EVER been AT ALL in my life.
This is VERY SAD indeed.
WHERE are all of these character assassinations coming from?
WHY are these things that DON'T or NEVER EXISTED being said about me now?
WHAT is this all about?
Are you trying to cover up for YOURSELF and your OWN ACTIONS, perhaps?
These accusations DO NOT reflect well on Bethel.
How could my relationship with Bethel EVER be healed when HORRENDOUS and UNTRUE accusations such as this are made against myself?
John Hagee also said that, "Leadership demands constant achievement."
I LIKE THIS ONE VERY MUCH.
Deborah,
I want to clear up the timeline.
The letter was received on Aug 15, 2006.
That means you were in Church on August 13.
August 14, you phoned the Pastor to talk about the dog.
This is just to clarify something. When did the dog incident start.
We don't need you to retell the whole story, we know it inside and out. Just approximately how long before recieving the letter did the dog situation happen.
When in this timeline did the situation with the purchase of your house happen? (not the sale, your purchase)
I'm just uncertain on this
I purchased the home in 2000 or 200l.
The dog incident happened in the fall of 2006.
Pastor Mike was only recently new to Bethel, I think, and I was VERY UPSET regarding the condition of the house, right from the beginning.
I DIDN'T want to burden this new Pastor about this and I TRIED to forgive these individuals and let this all go but that wasn't working for me.
I wanted them to be ACCOUNTABLE for some of the MANY repairs that I quickly realized would be required and I felt VERY DUPED.
After I signed the papers, they felt that it was done and that they should NOT be held responsible for anything further.
To be fair to Pastor Mike, he REALLY DIDN'T want to be involved in any conflict, I do believe, because he had just come to this new church.
To be fair to Pastor Mike, I also DIDN'T want to involve a new Pastor in a matter such as this either.
I DIDN'T know how to handle this.
I TRIED going to the wife of this couple but this became increasingly UNSUCCESSFUL and unproductive.
I acknowledge that I DID NOT HANDLE THIS as I should have either.
I should have had someone come with me who was more discerning and who could sort of go to bat for me.
I was WAY TOO OBLIGING, trusting, accommodating, WAY TOO SOFT, a pushover.
I SHOULD HAVE HAD A HOUSE INSPECTOR THOROUGHLY go through the house. I did not.
I acknowledge that this WAS VERY FOOLISH on my part. I acknowledge that I am to blame for this.
I was in an extremely gullible and naieve state at this time within my life.
I felt VERY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF when I did finally WAKE UP.
TRT, I believe that the first incident with our dog had just happened.
You see, I did go over to her house and I did bring our Peaches back after she tried to keep Peaches the first time.
This is the time when she said to me, as I went over to her home to get my daughter's puppy: "Well, I've gotten attached to Peaches. As far as I'm concerned, she's mine now. You'll have to get a lawyer to get her back."
She then slapped me across the face, hit me and told her other dog to bite me.
Shortly after bringing Peaches home, I took Peaches over to this woman from Bethel's home so that this neighbor could NOT steal Peaches again.
A policeman then came to my door and told me that this woman had charged me with assault.
I KNEW that I had done NOTHING to this woman.
My lawyer told me that IF I would have called him right away that this case NEVER would have made it to court in the first place at all.
This woman from Bethel then kept Peaches at her home so that my neighbor could not take her away from us again.
This woman from Bethel was seeing my neighbor and allowing her to see our Peaches behind our back, which I was NOT aware of.
This woman from Bethel then decided that she too wanted Peaches and so I took Peaches away from her and brought her home to our place.
They BOTH NOW WOULDN'T leave us alone, and it was during this week that we had her in our yard that they both stole it from our yard again.
This neighbor has had our Peaches ever since.
We have been trying EVER SINCE to get my daughter's Peaches back.
"This was a LONG time ago and IF I spoke to a Sunday school worker AT ALL, I would have spoken VERY CALMLY and politely to her.
I treated people with respect. I always have and I ALWAYS did when I attended church there.
I would NEVER have spoken rudely to this Sunday school worker. This is NOT in keeping with my character at ALL!"
OH, so now you don't remember? That's quite different from what you said earlier. In a previous post you said it happened a completely different way, and gave a play by play of it. So which instance are you lying in? the earlier post or this one? (I'm voting for both)
As for you not being rude, or attacking, its not in your character, people can just read these posts to see what's in your character. You've been exceptionally rude, You've called myself and T.T. some very rude names, and you've threatened violence.
Your character is shining through in these posts.
Either way, i'm glad to see your stories are still being contradicted and your lies exposed. (by yourself even) It really proves what we've been saying all along. The stories are starting to unravel, the truth is starting to come out. Your own lies are coming back at you.
"would NEVER have spoken rudely to this Sunday school worker. This is NOT in keeping with my character at ALL"
- um may I point out the post yesterday that got deleted where you refered to people as witches, vile, demonic, etc, etc, etc,. Apparently it is in your character. When people don't agree with you, you attack them. I gotta agree, you're character has shined through pretty well on this blog and any one reading even just your words on here would realize that its well within your character to act in such a way.
And seriously 2000/2001 is when you bought the house and you're trying to make the church still pay for it? how does this even make a little sense for you?
There! I Found the two examples of your contradictions.
I never blamed this Nursery School worker personally. I just stated that I believed that this is where the children were.
and now the contradiction:
"This was a LONG time ago and IF I spoke to a Sunday school worker AT ALL, I would have spoken VERY CALMLY and politely to her.
So, which of these quote were you lying in then? the first or last one? At least One of them has to be a lie, you either knew the situation and said what the first line said, or you don't remember, nor think it happened at all?
So really, I'm curious, which of these is the lie then?
tt and DF, I think that I know EXACTLY who you both are.
You are two of the witches who helped to cause this malaise in the first place with your lies, your slander, your gossip, your defaming natures, your controlling spirits.
You should BOTH be VERY ASHAMED of yourselves.
What IS shining through are YOUR TRUE CHARACTERS and qualities.
Please don't even call yourselves Christians, you sound NOTHING like one.
I believe you both to be the Counterfeit Christians that I spoke of earlier.
I asked for help regarding this couple's actions and regarding this house almost right from the start.
When I was asked to, "find another church to worship in," and when I read Pastor Mike's statement to me: "I am responsible unto God for the members of my congregation," I thought that I would take Pastor Mike up on that statement.
I thought okay, then BE RESPONSIBLE for ALL the members of your congregation and NOT just those who write a Letter to the Editor.
BE RESPONSIBLE for these individuals who fleeced me, big time, when I asked for help repeatedly, trying to make them accountable for selling me a home in which I was NOT told the truth and in which MANY things were covered up.
I was taking Pastor Mike at his word.
You are a pair of slanderers, defamers.
You could be taken to court for the LIES, false statements, false testimony which you have uttered here.
Shame on the BOTH of you.
Why doesn't the church become accountable unto God for your FALSE statements, your wicked actions?
Explain that one to me.
I have NO respect for the pair of you.
You are slanderers, defamers, liars.
It's VERY easy to attack someone and say ALL manner of wicked, lying, evil things against them when you hide behind anonymity.
Identify yourselves so that I can TAKE YOU TO TASK AND MAKE YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR LIES, YOUR SLANDER, YOUR FALSE WITNESS, YOUR FALSE STATEMENTS, FALSE TESTIMONY, etc.
Bethel should be SO PROUD of the two of you. (Not)
I'm also wondering WHY they never dealt with the likes of you guys a LONG TIME ago?
YOUR ATTITUDES, YOUR GOSSIP, YOUR ACTIONS, YOUR FALSE WITNESS, FALSE TESTIMONY, SLANDER, WICKED, LYING, EVIL HEARTS etc. would and have caused this church WAY MORE HARM AND TROUBLE than my writing a Letter to the Editor and yet it appears that they have not dealt with either of you.
Go figure!
"I would NEVER have spoken rudely to this Sunday school worker. This is NOT in keeping with my character at ALL"
Just thought it bore repeating after this last post lol. apparently it is well within your character as we can see from your most recent post. And again, I do not know DF nor am I one of these three people you think I am. Frankly Deborah you probably don't even know me. I was a witness to these events, not a friend of yours, nor a former friend or even an acquaintance of yours. Besides I don't think defending the truth would constituted as harm by anyone.
oh and I should add that your post is the exact reason people won't share who they are lol. Anytime people don't agree with you, you threaten to take them to court lol. You seem to be A-OK with wasting tax payers money with frivolous law suits now, yet tell us you're more than qualified to be mayor? If you're already wasting taxpayers money then there's no reason why you should be given a chance to waste it on a grander scale as mayor. (not that its a worry anyway I think you'll find that you'll have even less than the %0.01 of the vote that you got last time.)
I'm not going to keep fighting with you about this deborah, i've repeatedly said i am NOT a member of Bethel. You can keep repeating these false claims, but it doesn't change the truth.
Anyway, you didn't answer my question, i quoted two comments from you that OUTRIGHT contradict themselves. So in which instance were you lying in?
Instead of trying to throw accusations at us to cover up what you've done, how about you answer a question for once.
Its a pretty straight forward question. WHICH of those quotes were you lying in?
Deborah, could you please just answer the questions?
As an undecided voter, I am disturbed by your personal attacks.
I've been following this post for a while. I want to first mention that Deborah I do not know you and I have never met you - or anyone else who has posted on this blog.
This is ridiculous - the whole thing. The way that you, Deborah, are going about all these "wrongs" that have been committed to you is not right. You are defaming good people in OUR city of Brandon.
I am not religous and have't been to church in at least 15 years. Church and politcs MUST be kept seperate.
You said it yourself Deborah that politics haven no place in the church, well the church has no place in politics. For that reason alone I do not think that you are fit to be the Mayor of our Beautiful City.
If you become mayor you will attempt to punish anyone and everyone who is not christian, who does not agree with you.
I remember reading in one of your posts or one of your many letters to the editor in the sun that you will "try to get out and canvass for more votes next time" (as if that is the reason you lost the last race) (paraphrased - I can't remember where exactly I read it)
If you care so deeply about this city yet you wont go out and canvass for votes? Well, only if you have time. That doesn't even make sense.
I wonder if Pastor Mike, Mayor Burgess, and all the other people you are personally attacking know about this blog that you have.
Maybe these people should band together for a lawsuit against you, for defamation of character.
M
Great post! Every bit of it.
just wondering: why do tt und DF always post within minutes of each other?
I can't answer for T.T. but i check the site quite often, and usually post as soon as i notice a new post from deborah, perhaps that's what they do too?
(if you look through other posts, there is also quite a bit of times where we don't post within minutes.) I imagine its a lot of coincidence and the timings with deborah's posts as well.
M, no I would never punish anyone who wasn't a Christian.
That is ridiculous.
People need to work together.
This blog is just reflective of what can happen to a person in this town if you step on their Conservative political toes.
Some of the events that have happened to myself have happened to others as well.
There are NO first hand accounts because there was NO ONE with me when I went to get the children.
I said that I don't recall speaking to a Sunday School teacher but I said that if I did, I would have spoken to her calmly and that is true.
I may have asked her where the children were. That would be it.
I would NEVER blame a Sunday School worker.
This is NOT about agreeing with anyone else.
This is the truth and we don't seem to be able to handle the truth in this city.
As soon as anyone tries to get remotely close to it, you are told that you lied.
These individuals who claim these first hand accounts were NEVER there. These are false witness first hand accounts.
This is just yet another attempt and tactic to cover up and protect this church and lay blame on everyone else.
I'm VERY GLAD to be out of there and I absolutely cannot see how God can bless anything that comes out from this church when it appears to be corrupt from within.
How is it that I am still the SAME PERSON and yet I have had ZERO problems at my new church?
The other lady that spoke to me also left because of some of the aforementioned reasons above.
I should just pray for this church and this group of people.
It's quite pathetic really to see what terrible and untrue things people will really say to defend and to justify their actions and to try to lay the blame on someone else.
Again, there is NO first hand account by anyone witnessing anything with a Sunday School worker.
This absolutely DID NOT occur at all.
I just hope that all of these individuals remember that they will stand before God ALONE and give an account for their words and actions.
There will be no running to another gossip or busybody, to a Pastor or to anyone else to try to wriggle their way out of a lie.
You will all stand before God alone.
This church is in a VERY SAD state indeed when individuals come on here and blatantly make things up about first hand accounts that DON'T EXIST and NEVER OCCURRED.
Wow, this is REALLY sad indeed.
I tried to get to the truth here to cause people to look DEEP within themselves to see what they did and how they have gravely affected myself but no one wants to take responsibility for their actions.
I'm just going to pray for some of the REAL CHRISTIANS who attend church here.
Those are the ones that I feel most sorry for, being amongst the rest of these thorns and wolves.
I guess that God Himself will have to reveal the truth to you.
The people in my new church don't act like this AT ALL.
NOTHING like this goes on in my new church.
Deborah there are many many things you've said on here that contradict each other. The stories keep changing. If you can't remember an event how do you know you didn't act that way? because you think its out of your character? Its not, you've attacked, slandered and name called on here. So tell me how is it out of the relm of possibility that you would do that to some one else in person too? I"m sure the lies will come to light one day and I'm sure you'll have to account for everyone of them. None of this is anything that I"ve made up. There are many accounts on here where its been proven that you've lied or twisted the truth, where as I have not. So I'm really not worried about what you say of me or of the church because people can see plainly here what kind of person you are. Fact is we can't trust what you say as truth in any situation because you've proven yourself untrustworthy.
The quotes were copy and pasted directly from your posts. So i take from this that you are admitting to lying in your first post then? First you claim that you didn't blame/calmly spoke to her, and suddenly now it never happened?
Sorry deborah, there are too many witnesses for you to deny this one. You're outright lying about this.
I never blamed this Nursery School worker personally. I just stated that I believed that this is where the children were.
And
"This was a LONG time ago and IF I spoke to a Sunday school worker AT ALL, I would have spoken VERY CALMLY and politely to her.
To the Anonymous poster, I was teaching 3 different grades and living in Miniota during the 2006 municipal election.
I didn't come home that often because of the situation with the neighbor and the lady from the church collaborating to steal my 9 yr. old daughter's puppy.
This was just TOO HARD on us because she lives DIRECTLY across the street from us.
We were suffering HORRIBLY from this TERRIBLE transgression.
I only ran in the 2006 municipal election because I could. I ran because I was asked to find another church to worship in after writing a Letter to the Editor.
Did Rosa Parks ask to speak to her Pastor before she said that she WASN'T moving to the back of the bus?
I hardly think so.
Women are rising up all over the world in this hour.
I KNEW that this electorate was still on a honeymoon with Mayor Burgess and that he would get re-elected.
I didn't go door to door for that reason. I ran in name only and I did it just to prove a point that I could.
This upcoming municipal election, however, is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY.
I do believe that we will have a NEW MAYOR in 2010. I believe this with ALL of my heart.
I DO BELIEVE that we DESPERATELY need NEW LEADERSHIP over Brandon.
I believe that we truly need to TAKE OFF as a city.
In the days ahead, I think that you are increasingly going to see the reasons why we need new leadership over Brandon.
I do believe that God is about to give us new leadership over Brandon.
Man, I sure HOPE SO but I do believe that this is a God thing.
I think that we should all be praying for GOD'S WILL to be accomplished over Brandon in this upcoming 2010 municipal election.
I don't know what God's will will be.
Who knows who else may put their name forward to run in the days ahead.
I do believe that there are going to be MORE WOMEN than we've ever seen before at City Hall in ALL positions.
God is raising up women ALL OVER the world.
There are going to be MANY DISCLOSURES however, in the days ahead.
honey you ain't no Rosa Parks
Many Disclosures? are you finally going to admit to your untruths then? That would be refreshing.
Deborah, I'd like to see you answer D.F's question.
This site is really NOT for anyone who is not a Christian. They would NOT be able to understand what is going on here.
To address a previous poster, yes, these women post within minutes of each other and they change their names also, etc.
That is EXACTLY how these women behave within this church also and WHY ARE THESE BEHAVIORS NOT BEING ADDRESSED AND DEALT WITH?
They are some of the BAD ROOTS that I am talking about within this church.
Why would the leadership of ANY church entertain these vile, degrading, gossiping women?
It truly befuddles me.
If you can lie about a Sunday School incident, you can lie about where you live, who you are pretending to be, etc.
Went to a Christmas party tonight at another church. I was talking to a Christian man.
He said that a former Mayor here in Brandon who died had a FULL FLEDGED FREE MASON funeral.
He said that he's NEVER SEEN such a LARGE AMOUNT of FREE MASONRY in this city, for the size of this city.
He told me that there are TWO CHURCHES right here in Brandon that were built like Free Mason buildings.
We then talked about the Legislative Buildings in Wpg. who we all now know was built TOTALLY like a Free Mason building.
He said that the Free Masons meet REGULARILY here in Brandon and he said that he believes that MOST of the powerful men and businesses within Brandon are in this organization.
He said even the term Grey Owl for our Grey Owl golf tournament each year means a GREAT DEAL within the words of Free Masonry. He said it means, "Someone who sees through the night."
He said that the churches SHOULDN'T BE FIGHTING AMONGST ONE ANOTHER BUT INSTEAD SHOULD BE PRAYING FOR THIS ROOT OF FREE MASONRY, etc. to be BROKEN OFF of our city, the leadership of our city, in EVERY area.
He said that he believes that this city is and has been run by Free Masons for YEARS. He said that the culture is passive, everything is status quo, etc.
We KNOW that around the world, God is SHAKING EVERYTHING THAT POSSIBLY CAN BE SHAKEN.
I believe that God is about to do that here, in this upcoming election as myself and others try to EXPOSE what has REALLY been going on here over the years, within Brandon.
He told me to google Lightbringers and he said that there is also a video to watch regarding ALL of this Free Mason stuff.
I asked him, don't you think that this is going on all over and he said yes but he said that he feels that THIS IS WHAT CONTROLS OUR CITY right now.
So, let's check this out.
My entire purpose for running is to expose some TRUTHS within our City so that we can CHANGE these things and then MOVE FORWARD and TAKE OFF as a city and become ALL that we were destined to be.
I REALLY care about Brandon for ALL of our children and grandchildren.
These guys have CONTROLLED what comes into Brandon and what doesn't FOREVER.
Even this man I spoke to said that he felt that we didn't get The Promenade Project because this man was an OUTSIDER and the Free Masons only like to HELP EACH OTHER and themselves. It's ALL ABOUT THEM.
Let's check out this website. Go to google and type in Lightbringers. This talks about what Free Masonry is.
Deoborah, you still haven't answered the question. Which incident were you lying in then. First you said that the 'sunday school' incident happened but you handled it calmly (you didn't) and now you're saying it didn't happen at all. Now, I know you're lying in both instances. But just for the sake of it, lets hear your excuse. ONE of these HAS to have been a lie. You either spoke calmly to them (Which you CLAIMED earlier you did. Not "I probably spoke calmly" to them but "I SPOKE CALMLY TO THEM") Or (like you've suddenly changed your story to) you can't recall it at all, it must be a lie. Your story has changed repeatedly, even on here you can't keep your lies straight. Its been a JOY to see that. Finally people will see exactly what you've been doing. Not only to the church, but the BSD, and MANY other's in Brandon.
(Oh, by the way, i was reading over the earlier posts on the first page and noticed you had a lot of nasty stuff to say about the BSD superintendent, Dr. Michaels is her name? anyway, i fired off an email to her with a link to these posts. I figured she had a right to know what you've said.)
Sorry deborah, but haven't changed my name lol. and still not this person you seem to think I am, but really don't care what you think. Besides this website would make sense to others. I'd like to think that brandonites are a lot smarter than you're giving them credit for. This website is really proving to be a useful tool to show what you're actually all about. Which isn't truth and justice etc...
oh, I should also add, that it won't matter if you get the cd host to remove them now, i also took screen shots of what you wrote. If the comments get erased I'll just send her those instead.
Just keeping you accountable, that's what Christians are supposed to do right?
You are accurately revealing yourself to be just what I said that you were; a manipulative, controlling, deceptive creature.
They'll probably NEVER deal with you within the church but I am ready.
EVERYTHING that I have stated is the truth and will be revealed as such in the days ahead.
For everyone else who reads this, who is NOT demonic, like D.F., tt and some of these other controlling witches, spirits within Bethel:
When you google, Lightbringers, please go to David Icke on The Alex Jones Show.
He is rather an obnoxious host, but David Icke has a GREAT DEAL of truth to say about this New World Order that is coming, the economic system, etc.
This is a GREAT video.
Also, he provides two other websites which are: Infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.
Does anyone else BESIDES MYSELF see what is REALLY HAPPENING here?
I think that I have EXPOSED some of the REAL BAD ROOTS that have existed within Brandon for YEARS and now I am going to be facing a warfare for trying to EXPOSE the truth.
Just watch and see the battle that I will be in, in the days ahead.
D.F. stated that she was typing on this site when she WAS AT WORK.
THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT I HAD TO REPEATEDLY PUT UP WITH AT BETHEL with these three gossiping, idle, controlling witches.
I WASN'T EVEN AWARE of ALL of the lies, slander, gossip, backstabbing that they were saying behind my back about me.
I had NO IDEA until I received that letter from Pastor Mike.
I KNEW what I had said to this woman and Pastor Mike's response to me via this letter was ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY OUT OF WHACK.
This is what these women are ALL ABOUT, CAPABLE of doing and a WHOLE LOT MORE.
Perhaps they will be rewarded within Bethel for their efforts.
Does anybody else see what I am up against here?
Spiritual warfare is what this is; coupled with political warfare, principalities, powers, wickedness in high places, strongholds, etc.
When you get close to the TRUTH, this is what you have to be prepared for.
No it was actually me who said that I was typing on here while at work, not DF. I see no wrong with that, I do get breaks during the day lol.
And this ladies and gentlemen is what you get when you don't agree with Deborah's "stories". She calls names and attacks. People don't have to take my word for it either. the whole lawyer runaround thing you did here is on public record. So unless the justice system is also plotting against deborah along with everyone else in the city. Then I think we can rest assured that her stories are indeed not true.
I"m quoting from D.F. here deborah because I think they asked a very good question and would like for you to answer it.
D.F. said "The quotes were copy and pasted directly from your posts. So i take from this that you are admitting to lying in your first post then? First you claim that you didn't blame/calmly spoke to her, and suddenly now it never happened?
Sorry deborah, there are too many witnesses for you to deny this one. You're outright lying about this.
I never blamed this Nursery School worker personally. I just stated that I believed that this is where the children were.
And
"This was a LONG time ago and IF I spoke to a Sunday school worker AT ALL, I would have spoken VERY CALMLY and politely to her.
deborah, why are you having such a hard time answering one simple question? I'd like an answer instead of this run around you keep going with. Each time I've asked, rather then give an answer you attack and make outrageous claims. Why can't you simple answer the question? Its not a hard one.
T.T. even repeated the quotes i put up, one of those statements in bold print (both directly copied and pasted from your posts) is false. Which one is it? First you say it happened such and such a way, and not the way we told, and now it never happened? Which statement then were you lying in then? Your own quotes are contradicting themselves. Answer the question deborah, which one of these quotes that you said is a lie? why are you have such a hard time giving an answer?
I don't care what you call me, it doesn't change what you've said on here, and its not going to distract people from the question at hand. I really don't know why you won't give a straight forward answer.
You are witches and I'm NOT replying to witches' rants.
I can almost hear your cackling, witches.
HOW MANY people within this church have you hurt with your idle gossip, your constant tale bearing, your back stabbing, your running to the church leadership?
HOW MANY, witches?
How many people have you hurt outside of the church?
I HOPE and PRAY that you will soon be EXPOSED for who you REALLY ARE.
I think that they should kick your glutous maximuses right out of this church and all the way to Winnipeg.
Those are my personal feelings.
God, please see this for what it really is and Lord, please bring justice to myself and my family.
Lord, I pray that the net and the trap that these pair of witches have set up for me, will in fact be the trap that they both will be caught in themselves.
Lord, I pray that this will happen very SOON.
THIS is the kind of stuff that I put up with at Bethel with these women.
Only I am just finding out NOW the extent to which these witches will go.
I should send this to the Brandon City Police.
Perhaps THEY could TRACE where this is coming from.
To everyone else, this man last night also told me about two churches in Brandon that were built by the Free Masons.
Well, he told me that MOST of their Board Members are currently STILL practicing Free Masons.
Now, it makes me wonder about the Brandon Club that existed here quite some time ago.
I think it's kind of worth investigating this.
Also, TRT, or whomever posted with the three initials.
You were asking me when I sold my home.
I substitute taught for 10 years off and on with the Brandon School Division.
I last taught with them in 2003/2004. It was during this time that I discovered that the corrupt woman was in fact a teacher.
I asked to meet with them because I was having a VERY HARD time teaching at the SAME school as herself.
It was AFTER this, when I went to substitute again in 2006, that I was sent TWO LETTERS, which I have copies of, telling me that my Substitute teaching priviledges were NO LONGER required.
You see, I would get full time teaching positions outside of Brandon and then I would come back home again when and if those term positions expired.
I have been trying to get back in there to substitute teach again.
Does anyone know where these gossips work?
Perhaps we could also affect their employment opportunities.
Do you see how Christian they are?
Lord, I pray that you will EXPOSE these women for WHO they really are and WHO they really serve.
Please pray for me, if you wouldn't mind.
I am only one person.
Be truthful, You won't reply because you've been outright caught in a lie and you won't admit it.
Its ok, i'll sleep well knowing that everyone else on here can easily see your discrepancies and your unwillingness to tell the truth even when caught.
I think everyone now can see exactly what your character is like, you've shown it quite well on here. You've been proven a liar (I believe this is the second, maybe even third lie you've been caught in on here), you attack and call people filthy names when they disagree with you, and you've threatened these so called ladies at the church. Right, and its not in your character to be rude and attacking? From what i can see of your character (based solely on what's been written on these posts) its exactly what is in your character.
I'm glad others can now see you for exactly what you are, at least your true self is starting to shine through in here.
What net and trap? the one where we come on here and tell the truth of the situation and you stumble in your own lies? I didn't even have to set a net/trap, you did it all yourself. Thanks for that though, you made it really easy for other's to see which of us exactly is telling the truth. (hint: its NOT you...)
"Do you see how Christian they are?"
How exactly have we been shown to be a poor Christian? by telling the truth? We haven't gossiped, we've come on here and given first hand accounts, we've told 100% of the truth here, so we haven't told tales/false witnesses. As for backstabbing, You and i were never acquaintances nor friends, i have no idea who you've been actually accusing. You just seem obsessed with this idea of these couple of women in the church. I've repeatedly told you that i am NOT a member of Bethel. And i've not brought any of my concerns up with the leadership, nor have i ever. I imagine they've heard enough of you to last a lifetime. I don't think they need the grief of hearing all about you over again.
lol Deborah obviously you have nothing to say about that situation. Again you were caught in a lie and resort to name calling. At least at this point its pretty evident to anyone reading that you do this everytime you're caught in a lie.
Hi can we please tone this down a notch. Liar, "caught in a lie", witches, .... OK you all don't like each other you have gotten that point across to everyone.
CD host the problem is not, not liking her. The problem is when some one lies and you have the truth that you expose it. Chances are I won't just sit back and say nothing when she's outright lying about something.
TT --
Feel free to expose "the truth". Just do so politely. For example "reply 58 and 113 contradict each other" rather than "I've caught you in a lie"...
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While I know nothing of Brandon I'd assume Ms. Boschman is not a leading candidate for mayor. I think you and DF have won the argument regarding her recounting of events.
One of the things I find frustrating about running a blog is which posts end up getting lots of attention and which ones don't. This was a case I wrote a paragraph about. I wrote 20 page essays on cases that far more interesting where the issues were flushed out and didn't just come down to who stole a dog.
That being said as someone who is not paranoid I do find a lot of things believable in Deborah's account.
1) It has been my experience that lots of Christian women (particularly from conservative backgrounds) are too trusting towards authority figures and that once betrayed become rather conspiratorial in their views. The Christian community doesn't tend to look at structural functionalism in terms of sociology but rather look at things as good/bad righteous/sinful...
2) I think she probably is being harassed. I have noticed tremendous hostility towards this women. I was regularly attacked by several posters for even allowing her a venue to express her opinions. I believe strongly that everyone is entitled to free speech so the idea of censoring her was not something I'd ever seriously consider but I do think it is indicative that the general opinion seemed to be not so much that she was wrong but that she should be deprived of her liberty to speak all together. In other words her opponents don't see her as merely wrong but delegitimized as a person. I would tend to think that sort of view comes from a campaign of harassment.
Now I fully understand the people who are engaging in this think she deserves it, "I would never let you take care of children you are crazy", "I can't use my name since she sues people".... But I do believe it is happening. I have yet to see a particular church connection, honestly this sounds to me more like parochialism than anything particular to the church though the church may have been involved.
3) In terms of the actual excommunication, which at the end of the day is really the only event I'm interested in, I don't find the explanations to make much sense. Even the simplest question like, "what was the charge" seem to be unanswerable.
As an American I find the whole idea of secret evidence in a trial deeply, deeply troubling. If Canadian law does basically assert that church's must under penalty of law violate basic principles of due process, that is rather disappointing. While I know the assertion has been made here that Canadian law is different in creating some sort of absolutely confidentiality at least anecdotally I'm not sure it is quite as simple. For example Canada was a major proponent of the ICC not respecting clerical confidentiality laws, so at least to some extent Canadian laws regarding minister confidentiality appear weaker than in the United States.
sigh CD host. I just don't think you're understanding what happened at all. Were there various reasons why deborah was asked to leave? Yes, I don't know all the reasons, nor should I as I'm not in a position to know them. There were a variety of wrong doings by deborah during her time at the church (yet very little of her seeing how she was wrong) Which I'm sure led to her being asked to leave. Are people from the church harassing her? I highly highly doubt it. Deborah seems to have her own version of harrassment where she takes offence if some one looks at her who she doesn't like. Or doesn't agree with her 100% on something. The reason I'm on here so often is because I'm not about to sit back and say nothing when posts are going on here are obvious lies. We all know she's been backed into a corner a number of times on these stories. I know the people she's accusing of these various things and it is highly out of their character to act in such a way. Nor do I believe they would ever treat her in such a way. As far as the dog, who knows, and honestly I really don't care. We have found there's more to the story than deborah's letting on. I can see why people would be getting angry at you. You're providing an open stage for her to come her and tell what ever story she wants, people don't often find people lying a positive thing. Therefore wouldn't find what you're doing as a positive thing either. Seriously contact a Canadian lawyer if you want to know the laws regarding confidentiality. Its not a hard thing to do. Oh and no I don't think you were that "attacked" by people for allowing her to post. I think most people were disgusted that some one would give audience to such obvious untrue stories. From what I saw of those posts (unless you deleted a ton of them before I saw them) you were not attacked at all. I think you need to brush up on your definition of attacked.
I do believe i was one of those who you believed 'attacked' you, and I'm sorry if that is the way it came across. I think you need to understand the deep amount of frustration many people from Brandon are feeling that she is repeatedly being given a stage to spread her 'untruths'. I come on here often like T.T. because there are too many sites that boschman is on that are allowing these things to be said. Not only that, but when she's not being questioned about it, it seem a lot of people are believing her. I won't sit back and allow someone to harass people and places i care about like that.
Harassing her? No, I've been trying to post each time she posts. Trying to stop the lies. Hostility? Yeah, a bit. But when someone tells Untruths about people you care about, you tend to take offense.
The general attitude towards Boschman shown here from the beginning of responses is because the woman has built up a reputation over the last couple of years (possibly more, I've only lived in Brandon for 6 years)
As for her 'excommunication'. It wasn't an excommunication. Between her and the press, they have only mentioned three sentences from the letter she received.
The first one being that the pastor was embarrassed.
The second one stated that the pastor feels accountable to God for his congregation.
And the third one is the one where he states, "you're views/behaviours don't line up with the values of Bethel. If you don't change them, we will have to ask you to find somewhere else to worship."
The pastor in question is not the only one not sharing information. The only difference is, the pastor is doing it out of maturity. Bash all you want Deborah, but when he says he's accountable to God, his actions in this event show that he truly feels such. And likely his actions would be the same if he had to deal with anyone else.
As for the latest from Deborah, I was willing to cut her some slack for a long time, but quoting David Icke has really taken the cake.
That is the same David Icke that claims every major figure in the world from George Bush to Boxcar Willie are shape shifting reptilians.
That the the same David Icke who in 1991 announced himself to be the Son of God.
David Icke does not believe the world is run by Free Masons, he believes it's run by large lizard people from outer space.
Seriously
To, well everyone execept Ms. Boschman; I've started following this blog and have to say that you seem to take delight in encouraging Ms. Boschman to become defensive. I can clearly see without your continual input that Ms. Boschman is a troubled person. I can form my own thoughts and conclussions after that. I really have to agree with CD Host in that the tone of your emails is not always nice. I would say down right rude in fact. Stop replying to Ms. Boschman, your emails seem to raise her defensive level so that she does lash out in defense. So I guess the bottom line and question is, what are you wanting to accomplish by your continual posts and haven't you already accomplished this?
s.
Anon. Deborah posts many many stories on here, as well as anywhere else she can find on line and in person. People are quick to defend the truth of the situation, because there are people that will take her at her word that things happened the way she said they did. What I desire to accomplish when I post a response to deborah is that people will see that these are indeed stories and there is little to no truth in them. When the incident with her going to the local newspaper came out, deborah had a large amount of people supporting her. But they were supporting her based on a bunch of lies. The church recieved a lot of hate mail, and more based on what deborah did. When deborah decided to use that "publicity" to try and run for mayor, fortunately a lot of those that were supporting her saw how she actually behaved and stopped supporting her. If it were your friends or family (no not related to any that she mentioned, just saying for comparisions sake) that Deborah was attacking and making up stories about would you sit back and say nothing? Knowing that you 100% knew the truth in those situations? What we've learned on here is that Deborah gets definsive when people call her on conflictions in her stories (obvious conflictions where she can't keep her story strait) and has no way out except to admit it was a lie (which she won't do), so rather she resorts to name calling. So no as long she keeps posting lies and I know the truth of what happened I won't just let it go. Outside of this blog I really have nothing to do with her, never have even when she attended the church. (not because i disliked her, but because we didn't really cross paths or anything like that) we ran in different circles.
I will keep replying, this is not the only blog/site that ms boschman has been posting on about this subject. (there are quite a few) and when unchallenged and not caught in untruths, people are taking her at her word. So, as long as she comes on here and continues to spread these 'untruths' I will be coming on here and telling the true side of it.
Like T.T. said, when your family (or people you care about) are being slandered and attacked in this manner, i tend to get a little less then polite about the situation.
I like ‘Anonymous s.’ comment, and I feel some posters are very clearly teaming up against Ms. Boschman. I have noticed the hate and hostility towards Ms. Boschman, they all feel they know ‘the truth’. God knows the truth! It is not up to us to judge! With all due respect I would like to sincerely suggest you use your energy and time in remembering what the reason for this season is! Merry Christmas to all.
I have also been following this blog for awhile now. I don't know anyone that has been posting on here. I do think that Ms. Boschman is almost being stalked on here. From some of the comments on here you talk about waiting to see if she is going to post anything so you can respond immediatly. Don't you have a life or a family to occupy yourself. There is also the statement of Ms. Boschman blogging on other sites. What do you do go from site to site to see if she has posted anything. If the people that Ms. Boschaman is blogging about are concerned about what she is saying I'm sure they are capable of defending themselves. The only thing you are doing is making Ms. Boschman respond more and more. It's time to leave it alone people. Find a life and if you don't have one get one. There are alot of people in this city that are going to have a very sad Christmas. Do something to help instead of wasting your time on here!!
Actually, someone posted the link to boschman's comments on a public forum, that's how I was made aware of these. As for the other blogs, after i was aware this one was around (and that at the beginning people were seeming to take her at her word) i googled her name and found a few more sites she's doing this on. (Where people are believing what she's saying.)
You don't have to like that i post on here, and regardless of what you think, i will continue to post if i see more lies posted on here. I don't want to see lies spread about people i care about. I imagine if these kind of lies were being spread about people you knew, and about places you cared about you would react in somewhat the same manner.
and i didn't say i wait and see, i said i check often to see if she's posted,( and if she has and if it involves lies about situations where i know the truth) then i'll post the true story.
It always cracks me up when people post comments like that on a blog. You're making a blog comment to tell others to stop making blog comments. Cause seriously if there were better things to do you wouldn't be following the blog and telling others not to post on it lol. So I guess that would mean you'd be neglecting things in your own home as you're accusing us of doing? If there's so much better things that people could be doing, then I suggest you go find them rather than reading this lol.
FUNNY!!!! DF and tt, re-read what was written, you are assuming alot was said that was only implied, hmmmmm. As a matter of fact, it's kind of like you LIED!!! you would never allow Ms. Boschman to not answer a question, and yet it's ok for you not to. or did you answer it but not the way I was wanting? Is this ok for you? Is it then maybe ok for Ms. Boschman to answer your questions how she sees fit?
I believe if you re-read the comments it was about finding the joy in the season.
I apologize to CD host for going way off topic, I do appreciate your patience.
Thank you
s.
So....I'm not understanding what you're talking about? What question wasn't answered? And what are you talking about was implied? You'll have to be a little more clear on this.
well its nice to see you found the joy in the season anon, thanks for the sugestion lol
The most amazing thing is that fortunately, Deborah, you will not muster up any more than the 74 votes you received in the last election. Most people who run for office, regardless of their location, are people who possess a certain amount of dignity and class. Responding to a blog such as this does not entitle you to either. I wish you the best of luck, you have quite the opponents to contend with.
I went to a Prayer time last night at a certain church.
We were praying for certain things.
One lady there said that TWO MORE WOMEN WERE ASKED TO LEAVE A CHURCH OR CHURCHES WITHIN BRANDON BECAUSE THEY SUPPOSEDLY GOT INTO TROUBLE OVER LETTERS THAT THEY WROTE.
This is ridiculous now!
I contacted Craig Buroker immediately.
He is coming to Brandon in May.
Go to Craig Buroker's website, Times of Refreshing.
Go to IHOP from Kansas City, where God is moving within the Student Outpouring.
Craig Buroker keeps talking about the Antioch church or the church in the book of Acts.
He talks about what is the Holy Spirit doing in the church to prepare His bride?
Another one of his messages is, What in the World is Happening?
He indicates that there is a PROCESS to get the spots and wrinkles out of the church.
He said that this process is HOT.
He said that there is a PRESENT RECONSTRUCTION going on within our churches.
Craig Buroker said that the church is CHANGING, it is GOING THROUGH SOMETHING.
He said that the SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES have been VIOLATED and that GOD IS BRINGING SOME THINGS OUT OF HIS CHURCH.
He said that God is SHAKING THE THINGS in the world and IN THE CHURCH!
He said that THOSE FOUNDATIONS THAT ARE NOT OF GOD ARE BEING REMOVED!
HALLELUIAH!
Craig Buroker said that there is a STUBBORNNESS and a RESISTENCE TO THE TRUTH!
I KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT ONE!
GOD, PLEASE BRING ON THE CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN OUR CHURCHES! AMEN!
Our churches are SUPPOSE to be about GOD'S WILL ON EARTH, NOT about man's will and man's stupid, legalistic rules.
Craig Buroker said that the last days church will be a glorious bride and so the church is going to have to go through a PROCESS to get to that point.
SHAKE IT UP REAL GOOD LORD!
Mike Bickle from IHOP in Kansas City also says that MANY are going to fall away from the church because of OFFENCE!
He said that what God is doing now is going to OFFEND many people within our churches.
LORD HAVE YOUR WAY OVER OUR CHURCHES IN BRANDON AND EVERYWHERE!
YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!
BRING IT ON, LORD!
In an earlier post I stated that Garth Rice and Errol Black were bozos.
I do NOT believe that they are totally this and I DO have respect for each of these gentlemen.
I was just expressing my INCREDIBLE frustration that because of this consistent "political correctness" within Brandon, that NO ONE was able to step up, step out and help me regarding the safe retrieval of my wonderful daughter's puppy back to her.
One earlier poster expressed that someone with dignity and class would NOT respond to the comments on a blog such as this and yes, I understand where you are coming from and YES, that is very true also.
I'm hoping that I can put these HORRIBLE HURTS, BETRAYALS, DEEP WOUNDS AND SCARS behind me somehow and start afresh in 2010.
That is my wish, hope and prayer.
It REALLY HURTS ME that individuals that call themselves Christians have put such TERRIBLE ATROCITIES on this blog about myself.
The things that have been said on here about myself are entirely false and quite UNBELIEVEABLE, really.
I feel REALLY SAD that these individuals have resorted to such derogatory, false and defaming statements about myself and my character. This is just TERRIBLE! This is EXTREMELY callous, hurtful, slanderous, deceitful, insulting, degrading, low, unclassy, you name it.
I absolutely CANNOT BELIEVE that individuals that call themselves Christians have stooped to this new low level of degradation of myself and my character.
There appears to be a form of extremism and much denial within some of these individuals.
I just hope that God can somehow reveal the truth in all of this mess and madness and that He will somehow restore and heal this entire ridiculous situation for myself and my family.
Deborah, enough already. I think everyone who's even glanced at this blog knows what the truth of this is. You're not gaining anything by continually posting these things. Get help, that is all i have left to say about this.
D.F., STAY AWAY from my new church. STAY AWAY from me!
I KNEW it was you RIGHT AWAY when I saw you hiding at my new church.
I will call the Police IF you don't leave me alone.
IF I would have done that, when you joined forces with my neighbor, to steal our beloved Peaches, we would STILL have our puppy.
I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR THE LIKES OF ANYTHING LIKE YOU, WITHIN MY LIFE, EVER AGAIN.
BE GONE with your gossip and take your controlling spirits with you.
Maybe they will tolerate you over at Bethel, but I WILL NOT.
STAY TOTALLY AWAY FROM ME or else I will seek a restraining order against you.
I'M TOTALLY DONE WITH YOU.
I WANT NOTHING FURTHER TO DO WITH YOU, EVER.
IF I had known that you were gossiping about me behind my back, running to Pastor Mike and to the former Administrator, your gossiping friends and anyone else who would listen to you, I would have cut ties with you LONG BEFORE I EVENTUALLY DID.
I simply DON'T ALLOW individuals such as yourself into my life.
I had NO IDEA how MESSED UP YOU were.
I think that YOU should seek some SERIOUS, SERIOUS COUNSELLING.
Perhaps they will tolerate this madness and this kind of troubled behavior at Bethel but ANYWHERE ELSE, THEY SIMPLY WILL NOT.
Go and try to control someone else.
You were already beginning to talk about other individuals within Bethel behind their backs.
Why don't you just look at the log in your own eye and within your own life and try to fix that one instead of talking about other people behind their backs.
I drove you around for 3 years and I tried to help you.
Now, go find some other sucker who might take your abuse.
I'm DONE.
PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM ME NOW AND LEAVE ME ALONE.
PLEASE, JUST LEAVE ME ALONE.
I DON'T wish this hurt on you but if what you did to me happened to you, then PERHAPS, just PERHAPS you might understand.
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE NOW.
I would NEVER rekindle a relationship with you again, EVER.
Once I've been betrayed, I'm done.
I'm done now with you and so PLEASE respect that.
I am going to speak to the Pastor at my new church when they return and to the members of my Bible study.
I want PEACE within my life and I want to surround myself with TRUSTWORTHY individuals; REAL friends.
You WERE and ARE NOT one of them.
I absolutely DETEST AND DEPLORE GOSSIP and had I known that you were gossiping about me behind my back, I would have severed ties with you LONG before I did.
Now, PLEASE JUST LEAVE ME ALONE.
PLEASE RESPECT THAT.
You have single handedly caused ENOUGH hurt in ALL of our lives for a lifetime.
Oh for crying out loud, I still Do Not live in Brandon, have never visited your new church (I don't even know what church it is, nor where it is). And once again, i'll make this clear. We were NEVER friends. We were never acquaintances. You do not know me at all. I don't know who you think it is, but I'm certainly not them. (although i do feel sorry for them that they are being blamed for this). How i WISH that the host could trace IP addresses, it would make this silly argument moot. I do NOT live in Brandon, I do NOT live in MB.
I have no desire to follow you to any church, or any place for that matter. I imagine this is just a tactic you're using to to take focus off the facts of the situation.
Making up new accusations isn't helping your cause at all.
wow deborah honestly and I'm not being snarky at all you need to get help. you are believing things that don't exist. Seriously I hope for the sake of your family and for yourself that you do seek some help. I think your life would be a lot better if you did so.
Why don't the two of you GO AND GET THE HELP THAT YOU SO DESPERATELY REQUIRE AND LEAVE ME ALONE.
I've had ENOUGH of all of the shennanigans that went on there.
These things simply DON'T HAPPEN at my new church; none of them.
I actually have NEVER heard of these things happening anywhere else but at this church.
I DON'T KNOW why they don't deal with either or the two of you.
I don't know and right now I don't really care.
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE and STOP HARASSING ME!
Go and torment each other. You seem to be REALLY GOOD at this.
Go and destroy each other.
If we're going to talk about harassing, then lets talk about it. You've made up stories about Bethel that have been proven untrue on here. I think that's right up the ally with harassment. Me coming on here to set the record straight and not allow you to spread these untruths without anyone speaking up for the truth isn't harassment. Its weird that you think people coming on here and commenting on the untruths you've told is harassment. I suggest that if you don't want people to stand up against these stories that you stop trying to spread them around.
Weird too, how its everyone else who needs help except you... Do you consider people who tell the truth as 'disturbed' individuals?
I'm done deborah at this point, its just going in circles. I think people have the common sense to read and know whats going on and see the truths to the situations. I honestly wish you no harm and do seriously wish you would consider going to see a counselor.
I stated in an earlier post that I contacted Craig Buroker immediately and that he is coming to Brandon in May.
Both of those are true statements.
I contacted Craig Buroker via email to make him aware of the situation that he is coming into within Brandon.
Craig Buroker is coming to Brandon in May because he was initially invited to come here by Pastor Jeffrey Tribbles, of Victory Church, a while ago already.
Pastor Jeffrey Tribbles is truly a WONDERFUL, humble man of God.
Craig Buroker pastors a Victory Church in Calgary.
I don't want anyone to be misled and think that Craig Buroker is coming to Brandon because I initially invited him to come here.
Pastor Jeffrey Tribbles of Victory Church initially asked Mr. Craig Buroker to come to Brandon to speak a while ago.
Those women who keep posting, your time is almost up.
You are going to be exposed for who and what you REALLY are soon and VERY soon.
I just discovered that Emily Pauline Johnson, one of Canada's most popular and successful poets and entertainers, at the turn of the century, wrote a poem about Brandon.
She was a Mohawk woman born on the Six Nations Reserve near Brantford, Ontario on March 10, 1861 and she died of breast cancer on March 7, 1913.
One of her ancestors actually contacted me on ebrandon.
I just recently got back on ebrandon. One small victory!
E. Pauline Johnson was her grandmother's cousin.
E. Pauline Johnson is the daughter of a Mohawk Native-Canadian father and an English mother.
Pauline used the Mohawk name, "Tekahionwake" pronounced dageh-eeon-wageh, lterally: 'double-life.'
Pauline Johnson's most famous poem is, "The Song My Paddle Sings."
Pauline Johnson was proud of her Native heritage and wrote that, "My aim, my joy, my pride is to sing the glories of my own people."
Her life, career and travels show that she was a woman who dared to do unexpected things and who was proud of where she came from.
In her own time, she was a revolutionary.
Here is E. Pauline Johnson's poem about Brandon:
B- Born on the breast of the prairie, she smiles to her sire-the sun,
R- Robed in the wealth of her wheat-lands, gifts of her mothering soil,
A- Affluence knocks at her gateways, opulence waits to be won.
N- Nuggets of gold are her acres, yielding and yellow with spoil,
D- Dream of the hungry millions, dawn of the food-filled age,
O- Over the starving tale of want her fingers have turned the page.
N- Nations will nurse at her storehouse, and God gives her grain for wage.
She wrote this when she traveled through Brandon in 1912.
Is this poem prophetic of what is to come?
At the age of 31, when her society expected her to marry and have children, she began to tour the country.
Pauline Johnson gave popular recitals of her poetry, comedy routines and plays from Halifax to Vancouver.
She was the first Native poet to have her work published in Canada!
She was also one of the few female writers at the time who could make an independent living from what she wrote and performed.
E. Pauline Johnson's poetry and writings are BRILLIANT!
This woman had an INCREDIBLE GIFT and TALENT.
There is another poem on ebrandon under Brandon History about a poem she wrote.
It is incredibly well written and brilliant.
This poem regarding Brandon can be found in her book, Flint and Feather on page 139.
Cool, eh?
The name of that other poem is called, The Cry or Cries of an Indian Wife.
It is powerful and exemplifies the INCREDIBLE and IMMENSE talent that this woman had.
And here i thought you were finally done. There is nothing to be found out about myself or anyone else. As much as you seem to obsess over it, I've repeatedly told you that I am NOT one of these ladies that you seem to think I am. The only thing to be 'found out' are the many untruths you've told.
Just knock it off already, people are getting tired of all these Stories of yours.
I also want to clarify that anything that is on here about what Craig Buroker has said is coming from his webcast, Times of Refreshing.
I have NEVER spoken to this man personally within this past year.
He is NOT saying these words directly to me.
He is saying them to the church from his Times of Refreshing webcast out of Calgary, Alberta.
I have quoted what he is saying to the church, in general, via his broadcast.
I only emailed him.
From Mr. Buroker's webcast he also states that the same GREED and DECEPTION that exists within our churches, as it does within the world, is going to be EXPOSED and REVEALED.
Mr. Buroker says, via his webcast, that God wants these replaced with Spirit placed principles.
The church is changing and it is going through something, he says.
He says that God wants to shake it up REAL good.
He says, via his webcast, that this shaking will equal instability.
He also says, via his webcast, that this shaking and instability will also reveal the FOUNDATIONS.
Those things that are NOT of God are being removed, he says.
I contacted Mrs. Shari Decter Hirst yesterday.
My plan is to run a campaign and IF the polls indicate that I have NO chance, then I am going to ENCOURAGE anyone who might have supported myself to throw their votes over to another leading candidate.
I am going to encourage the same of ALL of the candidates running so that we can ENSURE that we will get new LEADERSHIP over Brandon.
That is my plan.
I think that we should be praying for GOD'S WILL over Brandon and NOT man's stupid, controlling will.
In my opinion, we have seen what that is and has done and we are being strangled by this, as a city.
Everything within me cries out that we are DESPERATE and that we need NEW LEADERSHIP over Brandon.
I called Mrs. Shari Decter-Hirst and expressed my plan and desires to her.
IF I feel that she is the BEST candidate to lead us into our new future, then I will encourage anyone who MAY wish to vote for me to throw their support behind HER so that we can guarantee new leadership over Brandon.
I will do the same with the Liberals and with ALL of the other candidates who may be running.
I believe that IT IS TIME!
Way OVERTIME, in fact.
We have a collaborative plan here.
We are not stupid.
We WANT NEW LEADERSHIP over Brandon and some of us are prepared to do just about anything in order to achieve this.
I REALLY pray that this is God's will over Brandon.
PLEASE, LORD, you say that you will give us the desires of our heart.
PLEASE GIVE US NEW LEADERSHIP OVER BRANDON!
Someone to inspire us, encourage us, motivate us; something invigorating, inclusive, collaborative, open, transparent, etc.
I called Mrs. Shari Decter Hirst and I told her NOT to be discouraged.
I told her NOT to faint, lose hope or to give up.
She COULD well become our next Mayor over Brandon.
ANYTHING NEW and DIFFERENT would be a GOOD THING for our city, I believe.
i just want everyone to remember this is supposed to be about the church discipline case involving Ms. Boschman. The latests posts seem not remotely related.
My apologies.
I find it EXTREMELY frustrating to try to discuss something that a "closed minded", stubborn group of people are in denial that even exists.
Then to try to cover up for themselves and their own mistakes, because they have been caught, they then make up all sorts of false accusations, try to defame, discredit and slander myself; make up accounts of activities that NEVER occurred, or existed, etc.
I guess one would call this displaced anger and/or blame.
It is VERY hard to believe that several of these individuals continue to call themselves Christians when what they are stating and their behavior is ANYTHING but the truth OR Christian.
It is mind boggling, really.
Fortunately, there are some TRUE Christians who do still attend this church.
Hopefully, these things WON'T befall them.
There are some decent and VERY GOOD people who still do attend this church.
Unfortunately, these later two posters do not appear to fall within this select category.
Thank the good Lord that I have NONE of these problems WHATSOEVER, nor have I ever had, in all the years after I left Bethel, at ANY of the other churches that I now attend.
Perhaps these individuals KNOW that they share some responsibility for what happened with and to me.
They must KNOW what they have done and now they are trying to "control" the fallout from their idle, controlling, manipulative, sinister, plotting, gossiping ways and activities.
I'm NOT sure.
I believe that this COULD be the reason why they are on here so adamantly defending their Pastor and their church.
They helped to create some of this, as they have done with their MANY OTHER idle activities within this church.
Now, they are on here in "damage control" mode trying to cover up for the fallout from their many sinister and idle activities.
THIS is what I now think is REALLY going on here.
There was NOTHING before.
NO problems whatsoever, that I was EVER made aware of; except the one horn blowing incident.
I wrote a Letter to the Editor expressing my frustration with the leadership of my city, which I have EVERY right to do.
The title of my letter was, "City Needs New Ideas."
The next week I received a letter asking me to find another church to worship in.
That is VERY unacceptable.
There was NOTHING else.
NO previous anything except a horn blowing incident.
You live within this city long enough, you want to blow three horns already!
I was in the WRONG church.
Now I'm out of it and this could be one of the BEST THINGS that ever happened.
I'm seeing now what GOD'S WILL looks like within these other churches and it is VERY refreshing!
Also, perhaps one of these women is frustrated by the fact that I want NO further association with her.
The people at my new churches act NOTHING like this.
What is the difference?
Is it because they are the REAL DEAL?
Perhaps it is.
Seriously, you're so frustrating. I don't know how many times its been stated that I don't attend Bethel, that i was never Ever Friends or acquaintances with you. Nor have I ever had any desire to be.
Aside from that though, You've decided that we're not good people? (myself and the other poster) Why, because we're not willing to follow your untruths? Because we've brought up the truth of the situation and you don't like that?
Enough already Deborah, anyone who reads from this site can already see how many 'untruths' you've been caught in. (It astounds me that you continue to deny certain situations even happened, especially in light of all the witnesses to it.)
You need help. I truly hope you find it.
False witnesses? Made up, conjured up witnesses?
Bring them forth then to my face.
There are NONE.
They DON'T exist.
This situation DOES NOT exist.
Perhaps they exist within your mind, just like several of these other conjured up issues.
YOU are the one who is VERY troubled.
YOU are trying to cover up for some of your OWN mischief.
I DON'T believe at all your untruths about where you live.
If you can lie about a Sunday School incident, and others, well, then it's really open season for ANYTHING.
YOU are the one who needs help.
Why don't YOU seek it out?
Anyone in DENIAL about all the crap that I had to put up with there is living in the dark.
A parent came up to me the other day and told me that she received a letter from our Superintendent telling her NOT to come to the next School Board meeting.
I asked her to see this letter but she said that she destroyed this.
She is coming forward also.
A teacher also told all of the assembled parents that our Brandon School Division and our Brandon School Board decided that they should CHARGE the our school sports teams; for the janitor that is required when they host school tournaments.
He said that most Principals are just ignoring this.
Yup, let's put more STRAIN on our parents and the children who attend these schools.
We have a child obesity rate that is going out of the roof.
Our children want to participate in sports and our School Board and Brandon School Division want to further penalize us for their participation at and within THEIR OWN SCHOOL.
What next?
Have you had enough yet?
Alan Levy's article in the Brandon Sun on Sunday was TOTALLY RIGHT ON!
Succession planning, etc. does NOT seem to exist in our lexicon of choices within Brandon.
It is the MENTALITY of this place, the COMPLIANCY, that Mr. Levy suggested, that needs to change.
But then you DO speak up and out and WHAT HAPPENED TO MYSELF is what results.
If you've lived here long enough, then you've also heard some of the OTHER horror stories from others, as well.
It is HIGH TIME to change the MENTALITY, the ATTITUDE, within this city.
We are on the verge of a revolution of monumental proportions within this city.
These old tactics are just NOT going to work anymore.
Co-operative communication AT ALL LEVELS of our society is what is DESPERATELY needed within Brandon, as Mr. Alan Levy suggested, as anyone with a brain or a microcosm of intelligence ALREADY knows.
Perhaps it could start with this church but I'm NOT holding out hope for anything as realistic as this to occur.
There is going to be a WHOLE LOT OF SHAKING going on within this upcoming municipal election and it ISN'T going to be because we've seen the ghost of Elvis Presley.
I believe that this will occur because individuals within this city, will finally rise up, come together, say enough is enough here now and DEMAND some REAL CHANGES here within Brandon at MANY levels.
This is what I am realistically HOPING will happen and it will be ALL GOOD for Brandon, for us and it will be WAY OVERTIME for us as a city for these changes to occur.
Well regardless of what your beliefs are, the reality of it doesn't change. Neither does the truth of the situations that happened. I'm curious, YOU were the one (in the whole nursery situation) that ON HERE at first said you didn't react that way and said something entirly different to the worker. NOW you're claiming it didn't happen at all, and the situation is made up. I'm wondering how it is you 'remembered' what you had 'actually' said the first time, and now suddenly don't remember the incident at all. To me that's quite telling, and really speak of the distance you're willing to go to play the victim/martyr.
I'd tell you to get help, but you just keep repeating it back to anyone who suggests it. Instead, I'll wish you well, and hope that you can turn your life around for the better.
Bear in mind deborah that after I noticed D.F was taking screen shots, I also started taking screen shots. So that even if cd host deletes the comments you've made I still have copies of them. You have been told numerous times that neither D.F or myself are any of these three people that you seem convinced that we are. So I suggest you just leave them alone. We have it saved where you have made threats against them and have no problem going to the police with what has been said here by you. Honestly I've questioned whether or not I should already have gone to the police out of worry that you will actually attack these people because you're confused. So my suggestion is stop making threats and behaving so aggresively (from what we see here what you've writen about them, I've never actually seen you interact with these people). And I'm done, I think all that needs to be said has been said and people can see with the number of times on here alone where you've been caught in a lie that they can judge on their own what they think about what you've said. Just a note though, I did notice you were back on ebrandon, but pretending to be some one else talking about yourself. I would see that as pretty dishonest, I'm sure I"m not the only one.
You all want a screen shot of Abe Lincoln and George Washington debating on any blog out there? Screen shots aren't difficult to fake.
But it is not my intention to delete
Even if screen shots aren't difficult to fake, when paired with what's already on here i think it would only be helpful if she does try to physically harm someone.
I really don't get the whole comment about faking them though?
Besides, i'm sure if i was going to go to the police with the screen shots, i would also be making my computer available to them so they could be verified.
cd host you have deleted some posts, and while people may be able to fake screen shots we have not. There are posts on here where she has come across very threatening to individuals in the city to the point of speaking about attacking them. Point is, the posts are on here, and nothing has been faked. I'm sure you can see the posts as well where she threatened people. Now if you like you can go back to your debate about whether screenshots can be faked or not, have fun with that one on your own.
tt could you possible tell me what discussion it was under on ebrandon I can't seem to find anything. Thanks!!
it was the discussion "too much attention" if you do a search for it in the top right hand side of the ebrandon website you can find it. Deborah was asked to change her name and stop posting pretending to be some one else and has since changed her name to reflect who she really is. She used the name Victoriana and pretended to be some one else who "knew" deborah and could confirm all that happened to her. People figured it out pretty quickly.
Anon
the threats were made on this comment area, somewhere within here still i believe. As for the comments on ebrandon, i know one of them is under a heading of "too much attention" (I think that's the title?)
It was in the discussion "Too Much Attention"
She has changed her username from Victoriana to her actual name since. I thought the one sentence a line rants were quite familiar.
Actually it was her posting of the poem on here that caused me to be suspicious.
TT
The point the blog host is trying to make is that screen shots of a website do not make for very convincing evidence.
He is not saying what has or hasn't been said on his blog, but instead that it probably wouldn't result in charges without the original site intact.
I might also mention that it's not a terribly good idea to use that kind of tone with the blog admin.
He is a third party who has shown no favor to either side at this point and "speaking" that way to him is one way to deminish the value of what you have to say
The idea wasn't to try and get charges laid, but I am worried that she will attack these other people she keeps mentioning, so even just going with what I have will at least just get them to talk with her and let her know that they have a heads up about it. Like I said I haven't gone yet, but if there are going to be threats made against other people then I think the responsible thing to do would be to warn the police. I don't care if charges are not laid I'm not looking for that. I'm just hoping she'll back off and leave them alone if she knows that I am keeping these screen shots and will turn them over if need be. She has been told repeatedly that I am not one of these woman she thinks I am, but she still continues to think I am and has threatened them on here.
I was speaking with a female friend of mine who told me that she remembers this Sunday School situation.
She said that yes, this Sunday school worker was crying BECAUSE SHE REALIZED WHAT SHE HAD DONE AND BECAUSE SHE FELT VERY BAD ABOUT HER ACTIONS.
This had nothing to do with myself.
My friend said that she began crying after she realized the consequences of what she had done and that this had nothing at all to do with anything that I said to this young girl.
So, there you have it.
I didn't even remember this.
I just remember the part of feeling panicked and having to quickly go and look for these lovely children.
I said that these women had better stay away from me because I would like to REBUKE the devil out of them.
I think the word used was knock but it should have read rebuked.
That's what I meant.
You should both be VERY ASHAMED of the things that you did within this church, with the neighbor, etc.
Also, stop trying to cover this all up.
This sounds like parents who say that they also know their kids, "No, my child could never do that."
This also sounds a lot like ANYONE else in denial.
I'm sure that the wife or the mother who just found out that their husband or son was involved in child pornography also said to themselves that they KNEW these people and that they were NOT capable of these things.
I DIDN'T think that YOU were capable of sticking your nose into my affairs and doing what you did to myself and my daughter, either.
I DIDN'T think that YOU would act like this IF you call yourself a Christian, either.
See how WRONG I have been also.
So, saying that you "know" these people and that they are NOT capable of doing these things just does NOT stand.
The woman who witnessed the Sunday School incident is also prepared to step forward if she needs to.
I have not submitted the letter that you gave to me telling me how you were going down to the Police Station to drop your statement to the Police.
I shall have to submit this and these other letters also.
I thought that I knew you too.
See how WRONG I was.
I NEVER dreamed that you were as unstable, troubled, sick, weak and capable of sticking your nose into my affairs the way in which you did; meddling, gossiping, running to and fro with tales, helping my neighbor take my 9 yr. old daughter's puppy out of our yard, either.
You told me ALL about this. Do you remember that?
Seems to me you got yourself into similar trouble like this in Thompson and EVERYWHERE else you have ever lived also.
I will also be asking them to step forward at Brandon University to tell everyone their experiences dealing with you THERE also, if that is required.
Then I'll ask the Security guards who had to escort you OUT of the hospital IF they would like to testify also.
You want to tangle. Let's tangle, lady.
IF I had known that you are the kind of person that you have and are revealing yourself to be on this post, I would have NEVER let you into my home in the FIRST place.
I really had NO idea.
I SHOULD have known.
I heard enough warnings about you.
I should have heeded them.
See how WRONG I was.
There was a TERRIBLE earthquake in Haiti! Oh my!
Would you two be the STAR recruiters for this church?
YOUR kind of Christianity is something I have NEVER witnessed before.
Your behavior, attitude, actions are NOT Christian in ANY way, shape or form.
I'm beginning to think that some of you kind of "deserve" each other over there.
NONE of this mentality, way of thinking, etc. goes on in ANY of these other REAL Christian churches.
Call yourselves what you REALLY are; Bethel Conservative Assembly.
What would you two be; the church police or monitors?
Many others have NOT referred to either of you as kindly as this, mind you.
Controlling, religious, legalistic, busybody, gossiping, trouble making, political spirits is what myself and several others saw.
How many MORE individuals from this church no longer want anything to do with either of the two of you?
When your own Pastor is on tape talking about the "witches" within this church, well, that's NOT quite the compliment one looks for.
It sounds like either of you need a heart transplant and PLEASE don't call yourselves Christians.
You two are both ANYTHING but Christ like.
You two were CONSTANTLY watching me when I attended Bethel.
One of you even came over to my home to further report to this church and to anyone else who would listen to you, to the former Administrator and her husband, then you have contacted my workplace, you got involved with my neighbor; you AIDED, ALBEITED and LIED for her, when she WANTED my 9 yr. old daughter's puppy, when she ALREADY had a dog and two cats of her own.
My daughter was 9 yrs. old. You guys harassed the hell out of us.
I SHOULD HAVE called the police right away.
I didn't.
I've NEVER seen anything like this before.
Is this part of the MENTALITY of Brandon?
I have seen "your type" of Christianity at this church, thank you very much.
Others, from other churches, are seeing this for what it is also.
This is VERY SAD indeed.
I asked you to LEAVE ME ALONE.
So, you come on here and then you further harass me on this site.
YOU should be charged for harassment.
YOU should have been charged a LONG time ago for this.
I think that a judge should ask YOU to leave this city.
Your attitude, your behavior, your gossiping ways, your controlling, etc. SHOULD BE PUT TO A STOP!
I have brand new sympathies for your ex-husband.
He's one of the lucky ones, as are all of your children.
Is this what you did to them also?
Is your so-called faith and your political beliefs so intertwined that you are CAPABLE of these UNBELIEVABLE ATROCITIES against individuals?
Are these all one in the same for you?
You DIDN'T and DON'T get the attention that you wanted and craved at this church and so now you are getting it by coming on this post?
You told me that they WOULDN'T ALLOW you to lead a Bible study at Bethel.
You complained to me that this Pastor never came over to visit you, as you would have liked.
Who have you got driving you all around town now?
Are you still living off of the $1000.00 per month that you force your elderly mother to give you?
Get a life of your own and leave myself and mine alone.
You have done these SAME things to how MANY individuals now?
The list must be growing exponentially.
Who are you living with now?
Gayle, please try to straighten out your OWN life.
That appears to be the REAL PROBLEM with individuals such as yourself.
What does the Bible say about gossips, slanderers, etc.
You need to look this up and read this again.
God DOES NOT approve of this type of behavior, Gayle, NOT AT ALL.
I think that they SHOULD have tried to help you get a hold of this and control this at your church.
Why have they NOT done this?
Ms. Boschman asked you to look after her Peaches so that her neighbor would not take her puppy away from her.
What did you do?
You also stuck your nose in there, like you have a habit of doing with everything, and you helped this neighbor.
You did this after Ms. Boschman decided that she wanted nothing further to do with you.
Are being a control freak and a Conservative, one in the same thing?
I noticed that Prime Minister Stephen Harper prorogued Parliament because he did not want to deal with the prisoner abuse situation.
Pastor Mike Davis, a staunch Conservative, asked Ms. Boschman to "find another church to worship in" after she wrote a harmless Letter to the Editor.
I might add that this letter was her personal opinion. The title of her letter was, "City Needs New Ideas.
She did not speak on behalf of her church. There was no mention of her church within this letter whatsoever.
Ms. Boschman wrote a much harsher letter regarding the Liberal Party of Canada.
I did not see Ms. Boschman getting asked to "find another church to worship in" after that letter.
This all smacks of partisan politics to me.
This is nothing new for Brandon.
I also attended Bethel and I left after I saw these women, the three that Ms. Boschman speaks of, and what they were doing within this church.
They were known gossips, trouble makers and tormentors to the rest of us and I saw what they did to Ms. Boschman, myself and others.
I saw what was really going on within this church and I also left.
My reasons for leaving also had a great deal to do with these tormentors that I believe Ms. Boschman is speaking of.
I also question why Bethel has not dealt with this situation.
I know that I heard of several letters being sent to at least one of these individuals.
Why this continues to be allowed and go on is beyond any rational understanding.
The Pastor in the church that I now attend said that if someone was to come and try to speak with me about another individual within his church, that he would ask them to bring that person with them and we would all sit down and discuss this together.
He said that "tattling" is not allowed with him.
I believe that this "tattling" that I personally also witnessed from these said individuals, and a common sense approach, such as this one is, would have prevented the response from this church that Ms. Boschman received.
But then again, if you are looking for an excuse, I guess that anything will do.
This appears to be the more likely scenario here.
Shame on you for betraying her trust and enabling and albeiting the neighbor.
You will have to answer for this.
I have seen what goes on within there amongst some individuals and Ms. Boschman has not even indicated on here the extent of it all.
Yeah, let's take that to the police.
Perhaps this is the only way that you can get the attention that you are so desperately seeking.
You have to slander Ms. Boschman in order to achieve this?
Wow, remind me not to bother with this church.
Are you a spokesperson on behalf of this church?
Does your Pastor know and approve of this?
Isn't this the very thing that Ms. Boschman was accused of doing?
Ms. Boschman was asked to "find another church to worship in" after she was accused of speaking on behalf of her church.
Ms. Boschman did not mention her church in her Letter to the Editor.
You clearly are.
Will you be asked to "find another church to worship in" next?
I'm just curious here if this rule applies to all or to just some?
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